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re: Known Russia hawks John McCain & Lindsey Graham urge Trump to punish Russia
Posted on 1/8/17 at 2:15 pm to Navytiger74
Posted on 1/8/17 at 2:15 pm to Navytiger74
quote:Inotherwords, they were off nearly everywhere. In some cases they were off by near double digits.
Again, the national polls weren't far off at all (less so than in 2012). The state polls were off in a number of places
Regardless, if you can show me a poll claiming Americans would prefer not to have known various Wikileaked facts pertinent to the election, I'd be interested.
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Posted on 1/8/17 at 2:20 pm to Navytiger74
Navytiger74 quoted that Donald Trump had 3 million fewer votes than Hillary Clinton. It is amazing to me that supposedly intelligent people cannot understand that if winning the majority of votes was the way to win the election then Trump would have used a very different strategy.
Trump understood that winning a majority of ELECTORAL VOTES was what was constitutionally required to win, therefore he concentrated on winning as many STATES as he could to get their electoral votes.
Can't you stupid people understand that if necessary to win by winning the popular vote, Trump would have spent more time in California and New York? He was never going to win those 2 states but more campaigning there would have lessened Clinton's margin of victory? California accounted for most of Clinton's margin in the popular vote and it could have been narrowed considerably. He could have gotten more votes in New York too and lessened her margin there. Again, Trump was never going to win those 2 states but he could have, definitely, gotten more popular votes by campaigning more and harder in both IF IT WAS NECESSARY.
Navytiger74, I thought you were smarter than to swallow that crap about 'Hillary won the popular vote."
Trump understood that winning a majority of ELECTORAL VOTES was what was constitutionally required to win, therefore he concentrated on winning as many STATES as he could to get their electoral votes.
Can't you stupid people understand that if necessary to win by winning the popular vote, Trump would have spent more time in California and New York? He was never going to win those 2 states but more campaigning there would have lessened Clinton's margin of victory? California accounted for most of Clinton's margin in the popular vote and it could have been narrowed considerably. He could have gotten more votes in New York too and lessened her margin there. Again, Trump was never going to win those 2 states but he could have, definitely, gotten more popular votes by campaigning more and harder in both IF IT WAS NECESSARY.
Navytiger74, I thought you were smarter than to swallow that crap about 'Hillary won the popular vote."
Posted on 1/8/17 at 2:20 pm to Contra
Breaking News: McCain and Graham are war mongering TPOS
Details at 11
Details at 11
Posted on 1/8/17 at 2:20 pm to Contra
I thought Obama punished the Russians when they expelled Russian diplomats before the final report was released.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 2:26 pm to TigerJeff
quote:I don't know what any of that gibberish means.
Surely you aren't sampling the winds of pro vs. anti Red sentiment from these bizarre and parochial environs ("Political Talks" on "Tigerdroppings") only? Plenty of us out here who aren't fans of "Pootie," the KGB, the Soviet Union, Russia, or Communists.
Regarding the issue we are actually discussing, do you feel the US public would have been better served not being privy to any of the facts wikileaks publicized?
Posted on 1/8/17 at 3:22 pm to NC_Tigah
Yeah, you don't know what that gibberish means. If ISIS had hacked the Democratic Party emails, would you be singing the same tune?
Posted on 1/8/17 at 4:36 pm to TigerJeff
quote:ISIS has without a doubt made the attempt, as has any other US adversary, you dumbshit. You supposed differently?
Yeah, you don't know what that gibberish means. If ISIS had hacked the Democratic Party emails, would you be singing the same tune?
Posted on 1/8/17 at 4:39 pm to NC_Tigah
Is that an answer? If ISIS had hacked, and released, would you have been supportive?
Posted on 1/8/17 at 4:40 pm to TigerJeff
These two frauds are both owned and operated by the same gangsters!
Posted on 1/8/17 at 4:59 pm to Contra
Oh a joint McCain and Linzee interview undercutting Trump while wheelchair racing towards war?
Posted on 1/8/17 at 5:01 pm to TigerJeff
quote:Hypothetically?
If ISIS had hacked, and released, would you have been supportive?
Instead of Wikileaks?
I would have inaccurately suspected it was disinformation.
Regardless, I am no more """supportive""" of hackers than I am of thieves.
I am neither """supportive""" of Russia in that regard. Nor would I be """supportive""" of ISIS.
HOWEVER, if I deposit money at the bank, and the bank gives away the vault code to a phish, that's on the bank!
That FACT is not a matter of supporting bank robbers. It is a matter of calling to question appropriate protection of information.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 5:02 pm to EyeTwentyNole
Well don't these two make quite the pair.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 5:05 pm to goatmilker
They probably slip into the closet for a nice session from time to time....they both get their money from the same psychopaths!
Posted on 1/8/17 at 5:12 pm to NC_Tigah
Hard to decipher your point if in fact you have one. You seem to concede the GOP emails would've contained evidence of political dirty tricks, but applaud them for having better security. Fair enough. So the Dems don't know how to protect emails from our adversaries - which is problematic - I assume you're saying, we can't trust them with national security - but (a/c to Trump) the GOP went to war in Iraq based on faulty data. Not exactly a glowing endorsement for Republican stewardship of national defense, either.
Does it concern you that Putin wanted Trump to win? Why or why not?
Does it concern you that Putin wanted Trump to win? Why or why not?
Posted on 1/8/17 at 5:18 pm to Contra
Can someone help me understand the reason for punishing Russia?
They are a communist nation. Communist nations have state sponsored media. The recent intelligence briefing used several pages (seemingly the majority of their publication) to suggest that the most significant effort to influence the U.S. election was via their own state sponsored media. So are we to punish Russia for being a foreign version of Foxnews with regard to their support of Hillary? Would other international media outlets be subject to the same sanctions for either their support of either candidate? Are we going to selectively punish the backers of international media outlets depending on which candidates they favor?
The other documented influence? Podesta got phished. Should we punish Russia because Podesta and the lady who wanted to be President both failed Cybersecurity 101?
What did I overlook as the most egregious act undertaken by Russia that is worthy of some significant punishment?
They are a communist nation. Communist nations have state sponsored media. The recent intelligence briefing used several pages (seemingly the majority of their publication) to suggest that the most significant effort to influence the U.S. election was via their own state sponsored media. So are we to punish Russia for being a foreign version of Foxnews with regard to their support of Hillary? Would other international media outlets be subject to the same sanctions for either their support of either candidate? Are we going to selectively punish the backers of international media outlets depending on which candidates they favor?
The other documented influence? Podesta got phished. Should we punish Russia because Podesta and the lady who wanted to be President both failed Cybersecurity 101?
What did I overlook as the most egregious act undertaken by Russia that is worthy of some significant punishment?
Posted on 1/8/17 at 5:25 pm to Willie Stroker
Can someone please tell me why they're not concerned that Vladimir Putin actively wanted and worked to get Donald Trump elected U.S. President? Someone? Anyone?
The continued concern for Russia's rights is touching, however.
The continued concern for Russia's rights is touching, however.
This post was edited on 1/8/17 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 1/8/17 at 5:31 pm to TigerJeff
quote:
Does it concern you that Putin wanted Trump to win? Why or why not?
Putin has probably had a preferred candidate every election. If he supported a Democrat during every previous election in his lifetime (considering the political positions of Democrats fall closer to socialism on the political spectrum than Republican platforms, such speculation is not much of a stretch), why should we suddenly be alarmed when they cross the political aisle for this election when the intelligence summary documenting Russian involvement relies most heavily on only these two evidentiary statements:
"Putin publicly pointed to the Panama Papers disclosure and the Olympic doping scandal as US-directed efforts to defame Russia, suggesting he sought to use disclosures to discredit the image of the United States and cast it as hypocritical."
"Putin most likely wanted to discredit Secretary Clinton because he has publicly blamed her since 2011 and early 2012, and because he holds a grudge for comments he almost certainly saw as disparaging him."
If the reason cited by our intelligence community for WHY Putin supported Trump was because Hillary used words that hurt Putin's feelings, then why should any of us have more than 2 shits to give?
Posted on 1/8/17 at 5:36 pm to Willie Stroker
Factor in the Trump - Putin love fest. Business connections? Dunno. We have the only candidate and now president-elect in history who refuses to release his tax returns.
This post was edited on 1/8/17 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 1/8/17 at 5:37 pm to TigerJeff
Every nation on earth to some degree wants certain people in charge of other countries, be they allies or rivals. That's why the Obama Administration funded the opposition to Likud in the last Israeli election and Hillary Clinton outright called for the rigging of the election in the Palestinian territories.
I have no concern as to what Vladimir Putin may have done because the disclosures made the election process more transparent by exposing the depth of corruption in the Democratic primary and the level of collusion between HRC and the media. The Russian hack story is just the final attempt by those in the political and media establishment to delegitimize Trump and scare Americans into another Cold War.
I have no concern as to what Vladimir Putin may have done because the disclosures made the election process more transparent by exposing the depth of corruption in the Democratic primary and the level of collusion between HRC and the media. The Russian hack story is just the final attempt by those in the political and media establishment to delegitimize Trump and scare Americans into another Cold War.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 5:55 pm to TigerJeff
quote:
Factor in the Trump - Putin love fest. Business connections
Neither of those highly speculative issues were cited in the very speculative intelligence summary. If they didn't cite it, that suggests to me they considered those potential concerns to be non-factors. Please take this opportunity to tell me why I am wrong.
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We have the only candidate and now president-elect in history who refuses to release his tax returns.
It was never required for a reason, no? Fault him for not following a tradition, but if you want to make this a relevant issue, why not take this opportunity to cite any prior occasions in history when issues identified in tax returns were a national security issue rather than just an issue of financial acumen?
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