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re: Switching to vegetarian diet

Posted on 1/13/17 at 7:12 am to
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 7:12 am to
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Which question?

this
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I want you to look at the human digestive system and tell me how I am supposed to digest cellulose fiber and convert that into short chain fatty acids like a cow.

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So how are you going to absorb all those nutrients in those plants when a human doesn't even have the hardware to digest it?

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As I mentioned towards the top of this post - you do not have the antimony of a cow, nor a gorilla, nor a bison, nor a horse. These animals gut microbes covert the fiber into short chain fatty acids which they use for the majority of their energy intake ...basically


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Yes, because early man was just lost in the woods. Fact is it was difficult to kill or find meat. So they ate berries, fruits, leaves, bark, etc. most of the time

No, he wasn't. He was a predator with a predator's anatomy. They are already looking into what they ate and finding out, based on the carbon ratios and nitrogen ratios, that man was a very high level carnivore eating freshwater fish and meats, not oats and berries.

Here is the isotope study
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Early modern humans also appear to have regularly hunted large herbivores (55–57), but there is also evidence for the use of small game, including fish at some of these sites (15, 16).

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Neanderthals and early modern humans had similar dietary adaptations, obtaining most of their dietary protein from animals, although some of the early modern humans obtained significant amounts of their protein from aquatic, and not just terrestrial, sources.

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Therefore, Oase 1 must have obtained a significant portion of its protein from a different ecosystem, for which the best candidate is freshwater fish.


This isn't some RCT or epidemiological study. They actually found a way to look 40,000 yrs ago.
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:11 pm to
Are plant proteins 100% cellulose?
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
38904 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:28 pm to
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Neanderthals and early modern humans had similar dietary adaptations, obtaining most of their dietary protein from animals,


LINK

When we evolved to humans we started eating a more plant based diet.

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Early humans, on the other hand, seemed to stick with a pretty consistent diet regardless of environmental changes: They regularly ate a relatively higher proportion of plant-based foods. Researchers figured this out by studying the tiny, microscopic dings and dents on ancient teeth.




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Cardiologist William C. Roberts hails from the famed cattle state of Texas, but he says this without hesitation: Humans aren't physiologically designed to eat meat. "I think the evidence is pretty clear. If you look at various characteristics of carnivores versus herbivores, it doesn't take a genius to see where humans line up," says Roberts, editor in chief of The American Journal of Cardiology and medical director of the Baylor Heart and Vascular Institute at Baylor University Medical Center in Dallas. © Stephen Kroninger As further evidence, Roberts cites the carnivore's short intestinal tract, which reaches about three times its body length. An herbivore's intestines are 12 times its body length, and humans are closer to herbivores, he says. Roberts rattles off other similarities between human beings and herbivores. Both get vitamin C from their diets (carnivores make it internally). Both sip water, not lap it up with their tongues. Both cool their bodies by perspiring (carnivores pant).


You keep presenting your studies as accepted fact but there is no consensus in the scientific community on the diet of early man. To insinuate there is denotes intellectual laziness and/or a overt subversion of current science. What is agreed upon is humans are omnivores and ate both meat and plant foods and even grains.

laser ablation stable isotope analysis reveals that the delta13C values of Paranthropus robustus

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History argues in favor of the omnivore argument, considering that humans have eaten meat for 2.5 million years or more, according to fossil evidence. Indeed, when researchers examined the chemical makeup of the teeth of an early African hominid that lived in woodlands three million years ago, they expected to learn that our ancestor lived on fruits and leaves. "But the isotopic clues show that it ate a varied diet, including either grassland plants or animals that themselves fed on grasses," reported the journal Science in 1999.


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Are humans natural vegetarians? In the end, whether a person lives a vegetarian lifestyle has less to do with esoteric matters of anatomy and more to do with ethics and personal values. The architecture of the human body offers no simple answers.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 3:46 pm
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 1/14/17 at 10:05 am to
Junky please list the bioavailability ratings of meat and various plant protein sources and explain how it is impossible to get enough protein and essential amino acids on a plant based diet. Base this on the reccomended daily allowance for protein.
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