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re: 49ers give Kaepernick Len Eshmont award for courage

Posted on 12/31/16 at 8:46 am to
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 12/31/16 at 8:46 am to
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Whoa now

Try it, you can't.

Again, you have to separate whether you agree with his act/premise, because whether you do or not is irrelevant.

I think he's a moron for kneeling and he's gone off the deep end with his thoughts in general, as evidenced by his Twitter. But that doesn't change the idea that it obviously took courage for him to do what he did knowing the response that would come as a result.
This post was edited on 12/31/16 at 8:49 am
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/31/16 at 11:34 am to
shel is correct.

Putting yourself out there and acting a plumb fool when no one else is actually does take some cojones when you stop and think about it.

Kaep knew he'd get lambasted. He anticipated it and welcomed it. He's also an idiot, as evidenced by his rationalization and his stances regarding related issues. But it did take courage.

It also took courage for the guys in the Jackass movies to do their stunts. Courage is not synonymous with nobility
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/31/16 at 12:05 pm to
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Again, you have to separate whether you agree with his act/premise, because whether you do or not is irrelevant.


Obviously.

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I think he's a moron for kneeling and he's gone off the deep end with his thoughts in general, as evidenced by his Twitter. But that doesn't change the idea that it obviously took courage for him to do what he did knowing the response that would come as a result.


If you think he's a moron, then how can you be sure he knew anything about the response that would come as a result of his actions?

You're assuming he was aware of all these dire consequences - which as it turns out, weren't even all that dire, but that's another point altogether.

If you concede that you think he's foolish, isn't it also fair to assume he either wasn't aware or hadn't considered the ramifications of his actions?

If I pick up a poisonous snake, but I don't know it's poisonous, it doesn't make me fearless, it makes me unaware and kind of stupid.

And what was the backlash really? First Take sound bytes? Internet message boarders hating you? If enduring that type of backlash is courageous, then every pro QB is a brave, brave man.

He didn't lose his job, his jersey sales skyrocketed, and his corporate sponsors seem to be sticking with him. I read an article recently about his personal brand benefitting from his decision. I haven't heard of any physical danger that he's been in, other than being sacked on the field.

tl;dr - You can't say that he's inarguably courageous if you also admit that he's a moron. Unaware/naive/detached from reality =\= brave/fearless/intrepid.
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