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re: Interesting article on NCAA Refs
Posted on 12/26/16 at 1:43 am to rjokerlsu
Posted on 12/26/16 at 1:43 am to rjokerlsu
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Yes, it was an interesting article.
Thank you for taking the time to actually read the article, formulating a mature response.
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Regardless, it was a blown call and Alabama benefitted.
I agree 100%.
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Seems like more often that not, Alabama benefits from blown calls.
I think it seems that way because we're watching a very small subset of Bama games. I wouldn't make the claim that refs are actively working against us without further information.
Bad calls are, without a doubt, infuriating. Especially ones that change the outcome of the game.
Lsu has also had beneficial calls from the refs. In the 2009 Georgia vs LSU game AJ Green got called for excessive celebration penalty which put us in great field position to score the winning touchdown.
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Also, hopefully the crew who missed that call will not be officiating any more Bama games this season.
Well they won't have the opportunity. They use different crews for the playoffs to avoid this type of speculation. Big 10 officiating crew for bama vs Washington and big 12 crew for NC game. Personally, i think it would be best to have refs governed under an independent body like in basketball. It would help quiet some of the speculation.
This post was edited on 12/26/16 at 1:44 am
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Posted on 12/26/16 at 2:02 am to Rickdaddy4188
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The only people that dont see this bias are bama and auburn fans and guys like you that want to dismiss it.
Im not dismissing bad officiating. I believe there were missed calls in several LSU vs Bama games.
I am dismissing the fact that these calls somehow prove that the refs are indeed cheating to help Bama. Correlation does not automatically mean causality.
I think a more fitting argument would be to say that refs (subconsciously) tend to make more favorable calls for teams they perceive as the better team.
If you read the article i first linked that's exactly what they are discussing. The writer of the article seems to feel that way. I think it's possible, but again that's my opinion on it. After all LSU has had questionable calls go in their favor when they were perceived as the better team. Same for Florida too. It happens to other teams too, including LSU.
Until someone can show me some empirical evidence proving that refs only make game changing calls for Bama and Auburn i will not believe that is the case. Empirical data isn't 4 or 5 plays over many years. It's a start but you can't draw a conclusion from it. Much more data would have to be collected in order to find any correlation.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 2:05 am to theBru
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1099 work for you?
Sure.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 2:30 am to Tiger Tracker
K.
I wont even get into the bridge scheduling that easily showed favoritism towards bama by sec home office but yeah I'm sure the refs wouldnt be biased.
I wont even get into the bridge scheduling that easily showed favoritism towards bama by sec home office but yeah I'm sure the refs wouldnt be biased.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 2:53 am to Rickdaddy4188
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I wont even get into the bridge scheduling that easily showed favoritism towards bama by sec home office but yeah I'm sure the refs wouldnt be biased.
I would be interested to hear your theory on this. I am just not sure how scheduling issues relates to officiating a game. Could you explain how 1) the scheduling was rigged against LSU (or better for Bama than all other SEC teams) 2) how that indicates that the refs are cheaters for Bama.
Again, i wish the refs would be put under an independent body to help remove some of this speculation, but i dont see that happening, unfortunately. Most P5 conferences don't want that to happen.
This post was edited on 12/26/16 at 2:54 am
Posted on 12/26/16 at 3:06 am to Tiger Tracker
As you can see here:
refs missed calls against ole miss
The issue is not purely a bama problem and it not only happens with other teams, but can also actively work against Bama.
refs missed calls against ole miss
The issue is not purely a bama problem and it not only happens with other teams, but can also actively work against Bama.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 5:23 am to Rickdaddy4188
This is exactly why the meaningless calls are made against bama when the game is well in control...so the simpletons like this clown can point and say hey, look, bama is penalized just as much. This isn't an Lsu exclusive problem, bama gets help against other sec teams as well...it is just that generally the Lsu/bama game is close. Bama doesn't need much. Take this year...the offsetting penalties where Lsu would have had the ball on the 20 yard line of bama and a first down, in a 0-0 game. The touchdown drive....not only were 3 critical holds missed on one single play, but earlier in the drive there was a 15 yard late hit on the bama qb as he was hugging the sideline. Since hurts was a runner first, you don't hit him and he turns back in the field of play and continues running...you do hit him, late hit. Damn if you do and don't.
You can't argue with this guy. He has half of the responses in this thread. He is either an Alabama troll, or an Lsu fan that has a picture of Saban on his ceiling above his bed, and would drop down on his knees on the 50 yard line and blow Saban in front of 100,000 fans...he has shite on everyone that had any negativity towards bama. All sec fans know bama gets the benefit of the doubt in close games...and that is generally all they need, since they are so good already......that one huge momentum call to go their way. Just ignore this clown.
You can't argue with this guy. He has half of the responses in this thread. He is either an Alabama troll, or an Lsu fan that has a picture of Saban on his ceiling above his bed, and would drop down on his knees on the 50 yard line and blow Saban in front of 100,000 fans...he has shite on everyone that had any negativity towards bama. All sec fans know bama gets the benefit of the doubt in close games...and that is generally all they need, since they are so good already......that one huge momentum call to go their way. Just ignore this clown.
This post was edited on 12/26/16 at 7:19 am
Posted on 12/26/16 at 8:08 am to Tiger Tracker
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Could you explain how 1) the scheduling was rigged against LSU (or better for Bama than all other SEC teams)
This was during the bridge scheduling when Missouri and Texas A&M came into the conference. LSU was scheduled to play at Vandy ( I think, could have been another low tier SEC team ) according to the rotation. Bama was scheduled to play at Georgia under the same situation. The SEC schedule maker ( A Bama graduate ) said that in order for the schedule to work out they had to make changes. The change was to send LSU to Georgia and Bama to Vandy. This is conspiracy or made up, it fricking happened.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 8:10 am to Chaseff
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I have for 33 years and you all have no idea of the speed of the game and really have no real ida what us actually holding.
Ok, then why don't you explain it to us?
While your at it explain the Patrick Peterson interception?
Here it is in case you have forgotten.
LINK
This post was edited on 12/26/16 at 8:18 am
Posted on 12/26/16 at 8:11 am to Number 31
quote:Our fan base is the biggest collective pussy I have ever seen
It's pure coincidence that the bad calls always and without exception favor Bama and/or Auburn. Nothing to see here! Move along people.
The OP post pure data and facts that this is not happening, yet our bitchy losers of fans still say the world is against us
Posted on 12/26/16 at 8:20 am to lsupride87
So to our loser fan base, why did the refs and league not cheat for Bama when we won five straight? Specifically in 2004 when the refs missed an egregious PI on us? LINK
Posted on 12/26/16 at 9:00 am to Tiger Tracker
bull crap
Posted on 12/26/16 at 9:03 am to Rickdaddy4188
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You can name multiple times when bama got calls that outright affected the outcome of games.
Bama, Florida, then Auburn, in that order for the SEC.
For LSU: Bama, Auburn, then Florida bc we have the unfortunate draw of having two of the worst offenders in our division.
I could destroy this thread along with the fairy tale notion a lot of folks hold about CFB, especially SEC football. Since this is the rant, I won't waste my time.
Don't let your eyes, ears, and brain fool you. If you are watching a game and it walks like a duck....
Just remember, however, it is entertainment. Just laugh at it. That's what I do.
When a player from a school like UF takes a "superman" dive into a pile during a random play and no call is made...I laugh my arse off at the WWE direction the game is going. I literally list dozens of examples like this just from the past few seasons. That doesn't even get to the 2009 season...
Either way, this thread will be fun. Hope it keeps going.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 9:14 am to Ponchy Tiger
Like several have said , there is no arguing with that guy. He's using statistical terminology in an effort to overcompensate for his agenda do disprove something that most everyone else has seen play out.
And even as Dunbarton said, stats can be manipulated by simply making meaningless calls to impact the total numbers at the end of the game. Make no mistake, there are trends that most fans have observed. Not sure how you measure the weight of one call vs another in a situational context for the stat geek, but I damn sure know there are moments in a game where a penalty is not equal to another penalty.
But carry on Tracker. The rest of us are just crazy and biased. It's all in our heads.
And even as Dunbarton said, stats can be manipulated by simply making meaningless calls to impact the total numbers at the end of the game. Make no mistake, there are trends that most fans have observed. Not sure how you measure the weight of one call vs another in a situational context for the stat geek, but I damn sure know there are moments in a game where a penalty is not equal to another penalty.
But carry on Tracker. The rest of us are just crazy and biased. It's all in our heads.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 9:17 am to Ponchy Tiger
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The SEC schedule maker ( A Bama graduate ) said that in order for the schedule to work out they had to make changes. The change was to send LSU to Georgia and Bama to Vandy. This is conspiracy or made up, it fricking happened.
Womack is the guy's name it the team was KY, not Vandy.
He did it AFTER Bama almost lost to UGA in the SECCG in 2012. Altered the schedule for the next season. Pretty much eliminated LSU before the season started.
But this is a thread about officiating, so stick with that. That is overseen by a Bama alum too. LOL
But suspend disbelief and entertain the OP.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 9:19 am to Tiger Tracker
Well maybe but if im working for or against a team im not going to run up the stats. Meaning I would make or "miss" calls at important parts of the game. I dont need to hit your for 10 calls a game to beat you, just gotta call holding on your TD or not call it on my team. Further. Bama is good so there probably isn't a need to assist in many games.
My point is IF this exsists it wouldnt show up in some overt stat line
My point is IF this exsists it wouldnt show up in some overt stat line
Posted on 12/26/16 at 9:25 am to TigerinDunbarton
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Take this year...the offsetting penalties where Lsu would have had the ball on the 20 yard line of bama and a first down, in a 0-0 game. The touchdown drive....not only were 3 critical holds missed on one single play, but earlier in the drive there was a 15 yard late hit on the bama qb as he was hugging the sideline. Since hurts was a runner first, you don't hit him and he turns back in the field of play and continues running...you do hit him, late hit. Damn if you do and don't.
That first play you mention wasn't even the worst "non call" (this won't show up in OP studies) from this year.
The worst play from this year was when our QB was sliding feet first and was targeted by Bama's top LB. Helmet to helmet hit. NO CALL. NO REPLAY. NO NOTHING. All year long games were stopped to review this. Nope. Not this game. Had it been called correctly, LSU gets a first down in Bama territory and their star is out of the game. But nope...
My second favorite was the first play you mention. On that play, Bama got not one, not two, but THREE calls against them. One during the play, and two AFTER the play.
What do the "honest" refs do? Well they simply make up a penalty on an LSU player who was on the sidelines with his helmet off doing nothing. Then, they OFFSET ALL THREE PENALTIES.
You folks realize two fifteen yard penalties should have been marched off on that play, putting LSU on about Bama's 20? Nope, instead they make up a call to wipe off all three penalties.
But guess what? That was still wrong. Why? Because that made up LSU penalty should have just negated the two calls AFTER THE PLAY. The PF called on Bama DURING THE PLAY still should have stood. Everyone overlooked that. 3 penalties. 1 during the play. 2 after. Yet the crooked SEC cancelled them all out with one made up call. LOL
But hey, keep believing. LOLOLOLOL
Posted on 12/26/16 at 9:34 am to Chaseff
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People who have all of this conspiracy theory need nsrns have never called a game. I have for 33 years and you all have no idea of the speed of the game and really have no real ida what us actually holding. You may think you do, but you really don't. You would pee all over yourself if you got out there and actually tried t do it.
Top 3 professions for whom no criticism will ever be valid unless you've done the job yourself:
1- Police Officers
2- Teachers
3- Officials
It literally NEVER FAILS that when any criticism, legit or otherwise, comes up there is ALWAYS someone in these three groups willing to stand up and tell us all that we have no clue what we're talking about, despite all evidence pointing to a different conclusion time to time.
Thin blue line, think chalk line, thin striped line...
That being said, I don;t think any reasonable person believes there's some backroom conspiracy here. But...there IS bias, and if there was not at least a tactic worry about bias there would not be a rule about officiating one's own alma mater in the SEC, right? I mean...if all officials were above reproach and simply would never do such a thing, why the rule? but that begs the question...if there is that rule, why then appoint a member university's alumnus to oversee ALL officiating? That's what we have in Shaw as head of officials in the SEC.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 9:51 am to lsupride87
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So to our loser fan base, why did the refs and league not cheat for Bama when we won five straight? Specifically in 2004
Glad you brought up that long ago... Here are some numbers I ran a few years ago, showing the number of penalties each team had each year, their rank in the SEC and their rank nationally. Turns out, low and behold, that the team in Crimson and White was called for fewer penalties each year as compared to the team in Purple and Gold.
Here's the fun part of this little experiment...in this case, we actually had the same coach as them for this experiment! While at LSU, Saban's teams seem to be undisciplined and get called for more penalties than Mike Shula's BAMA teams. Sure...makes sense. Soon as he got to BAMA, boom...tons of discipline and fewer penalties on his team than when he was in Baton Rouge.
I can't speak to the numbers before or after but I'd bet they look the same.
Conspiracy? Nah...I don't think. but it's obviously a bias and I'm willing to admit I could be wrong in regards to it being more and would love to see an independent investigation go into the SEC offices and clean house and let the chips fall where they may.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 9:54 am to Tiger Tracker
It's not about too many calls, it's all about timing.
LSU might not get flagged for the entire game, but calling, or not calling a penalty at the right time is where the refs biases have the greatest impact.
LSU might not get flagged for the entire game, but calling, or not calling a penalty at the right time is where the refs biases have the greatest impact.
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