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Special teams has cost us 5 wins
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:53 pm
Time to fire McMahon.
Cost us the
1. Raiders - bad kickoff return to end game after 15 yd penalty
2. Giants - Blocked field goal returned for td
3. Falcons - fumbled punt when we are up 7-0
4. Denver - Blocked EP for 2 points
5. Panthers - Blocked field goal that endes up being a 10 point swing
Cost us the
1. Raiders - bad kickoff return to end game after 15 yd penalty
2. Giants - Blocked field goal returned for td
3. Falcons - fumbled punt when we are up 7-0
4. Denver - Blocked EP for 2 points
5. Panthers - Blocked field goal that endes up being a 10 point swing
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:55 pm to VA LSU fan
Agree on most of those except falcons, that was a loss no matter what
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:56 pm to josh336
Uh what... Saints go up 14-0 good night
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:56 pm to VA LSU fan
I really wish a reporter would straight up ask SP in his press conferencehow McMahon still has a job
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:57 pm to josh336
Even if we lose the falcons game we are 8-2
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:58 pm to VA LSU fan
I hate McMahon, but
1. Don't let Richard run 70 yards untouched and the game isn't even close.
2. Offense gets a truckload of turnovers and manages 3 scores all day.
3. Freeman and Coleman ran on us for days.
4. Best case scenario: game is still tied if they properly call him out of bounds and they're getting the ball back.
5. The Panthers offense literally quit about halfway through the 3rd quarter and Sean Payton dicked around and it cost them the game.
1. Don't let Richard run 70 yards untouched and the game isn't even close.
2. Offense gets a truckload of turnovers and manages 3 scores all day.
3. Freeman and Coleman ran on us for days.
4. Best case scenario: game is still tied if they properly call him out of bounds and they're getting the ball back.
5. The Panthers offense literally quit about halfway through the 3rd quarter and Sean Payton dicked around and it cost them the game.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 11:00 pm to TPecoraro23
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Uh what... Saints go up 14-0 good night
You can't just assume that they go 85 yards and score again.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 11:03 pm to lsutigers1992
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I hate McMahon, but
1. Don't let Richard run 70 yards untouched and the game isn't even close.
2. Offense gets a truckload of turnovers and manages 3 scores all day.
3. Freeman and Coleman ran on us for days.
4. Best case scenario: game is still tied if they properly call him out of bounds and they're getting the ball back.
5. The Panthers offense literally quit about halfway through the 3rd quarter and Sean Payton dicked around and it cost them the game.
Fine. Word it another way:
Blocked FGs/XPs are the difference in MOV for three games.
Also, the Panthers only had one drive that resulted in points without help from a turnover or a ST blunder (I'm including Murphy starting a drive at the 1).
This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 11/17/16 at 11:06 pm to VA LSU fan
4 losses by 3 or less. Pretty sure we had Special teams frick up in all 4.
Didn't lutz miss a kick in game one?
Didn't lutz miss a kick in game one?
This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 11/17/16 at 11:07 pm to VA LSU fan
That muffed kick return at the 1 was absolutely Godawful.
You don't even see high school teams fricking that up.
You don't even see high school teams fricking that up.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 11:09 pm to VA LSU fan
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Special teams has cost us 5 wins
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Falcons
Posted on 11/17/16 at 11:09 pm to OvertheDwayneBowe
You can't blame the Raiders and the Falcons on special teams. No way, no how.
You can't blame the Giants on the blocked FG. That game should have never been that close. Blame a "high powered" offense that scored 13 points and had great field position all day and a shitty PI call on Ken Crawley.
The Denver game is up for grabs. They could still have lost it with a Denver FG in regulation.
That first half abomination against the Panthers was a team effort. You could just as likely say that the difference was a STUPID forced ball to Fleener who shouldn't have been getting that many targets in the first place.
You can't blame the Giants on the blocked FG. That game should have never been that close. Blame a "high powered" offense that scored 13 points and had great field position all day and a shitty PI call on Ken Crawley.
The Denver game is up for grabs. They could still have lost it with a Denver FG in regulation.
That first half abomination against the Panthers was a team effort. You could just as likely say that the difference was a STUPID forced ball to Fleener who shouldn't have been getting that many targets in the first place.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 11:15 pm to lsutigers1992
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You can't blame the Raiders and the Falcons on special teams. No way, no how.
You can't blame the Giants on the blocked FG. That game should have never been that close. Blame a "high powered" offense that scored 13 points and had great field position all day and a shitty PI call on Ken Crawley.
The Denver game is up for grabs. They could still have lost it with a Denver FG in regulation.
That first half abomination against the Panthers was a team effort. You could just as likely say that the difference was a STUPID forced ball to Fleener who shouldn't have been getting that many targets in the first place.
You absolutely CAN blame 10 point swings in 2 games decided by 3 points for losses.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 11:21 pm to OvertheDwayneBowe
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You absolutely CAN blame 10 point swings in 2 games decided by 3 points for losses.
Ohhhhhhhhh. So Drew Brees can throw shitty INTs and Pick Sixes against the Panthers, Broncos and Falcons. How many times did Thomas give the ball to the Broncos last week.
The Saints defense gave up over 35 points in two of those games. Ken Crawley was lost the first month of the season, Rankins was hurt, and Laurinaitis was garbage.
But yeah, SPECIAL TEAMS HAS TO BE PERFECT OR THEY SINGLE-HANDELY COST US THE BALL GAME. Got it.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 12:55 am to lsutigers1992
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But yeah, SPECIAL TEAMS HAS TO BE PERFECT OR THEY SINGLE-HANDELY COST US THE BALL GAME. Got it.
Nobody is saying that they single handedly cost us any game. And asking Lutz to make some fairly easy kicks isn't asking for the special teams to be perfect. Quit playing dumb
ETA: McMahon can DIAF
This post was edited on 11/18/16 at 12:56 am
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:09 am to D011ahbi11
Absentee owner allows Payton to retain all his cronies...McMahon is a joke, Bill Johnson gets to keep his job solely because of Cam. And what does Vitt do aside from twitch on camera...
Passive ownership since XLIV...old man got his statue and doesn't give a shite anymore, just wants his legacy. Winning SB44 absolved himself (in his eyes)from almost hijacking the team in '05, and apparently none of "the great unwashed" realize it either.
Those who supported from '86-93 laugh at this term. Same crap, different day.
Passive ownership since XLIV...old man got his statue and doesn't give a shite anymore, just wants his legacy. Winning SB44 absolved himself (in his eyes)from almost hijacking the team in '05, and apparently none of "the great unwashed" realize it either.
Those who supported from '86-93 laugh at this term. Same crap, different day.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:36 am to D011ahbi11
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Nobody is saying that they single handedly cost us any game. And asking Lutz to make some fairly easy kicks isn't asking for the special teams to be perfect. Quit playing dumb
I think some people are. To say that special teams cost the Saints their season are the ones playing dumb.
There are lots of reasons the Saints are 4-6 and on life support. It's only one of the top ten, IMO.
1. Wil Lutz and his line-drive FGs and XPs
2. Ken Crawley being forced into full-time duty weeks 1-2 after Breaux was hurt when he CLEARLY wasn't ready
3. Injuries to Kikaha, Rankins and Breaux on defense
4. Lack of offensive urgency at the end of the Chiefs/Panthers games
5. Forced (and lack of) chemistry between Brees and Fleener
6. Bad coaching decisions and bad coaches
7. No Spiller/Sproles/Bush coming out of the backfield
8. Mark Ingram's fumbles
9. Michael Thomas' fumbles
10. Bad officiating and horeshit PI calls
Posted on 11/18/16 at 2:11 am to lsutigers1992
No life support, we are dead.
The special teams is probably the easiest fix of the top reasons listed. And a simple PAT and another easy FG make and we are 5-5, 6-4.
The special teams is probably the easiest fix of the top reasons listed. And a simple PAT and another easy FG make and we are 5-5, 6-4.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 6:13 am to D011ahbi11
But the original thesis in this thread is we'd apparently be 9-1 because he said every game bit the Chiefs game.
You are being more reasonable but you assume the Broncos don't kick a game winning FG at the buzzer. And I argue Michael Thomas cost us that game long before McMahon did. Hell, Brees'' 2 INTs resulted in probably a 3-7 point swing.
You are being more reasonable but you assume the Broncos don't kick a game winning FG at the buzzer. And I argue Michael Thomas cost us that game long before McMahon did. Hell, Brees'' 2 INTs resulted in probably a 3-7 point swing.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 6:29 am to lsutigers1992
I think we should be at worst 7-3 with better special teams play. It is a shame that our defense begins to play better and another portion of the team lets us down.
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