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re: I love the movie "Fury" but...
Posted on 9/6/16 at 1:53 pm to Corch Urban Myers
Posted on 9/6/16 at 1:53 pm to Corch Urban Myers
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It was a piece of shite not because it was badly designed, but because they used inferior metallurgy to make it.
I'm still not sure where you've gotten this idea. Was it any shittier than the Sten or Grease Gun? No, and it offered a higher caliber round though obviously it was bulkier and less suited for tank crews. It was a superior weapon for combat in general though, no question.
MG-42's were clearly made with cheaper and cruder construction methods than others but it didn't render them inferior platforms, did it?
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Posted on 9/6/16 at 1:58 pm to jimbeam
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So yeah the movie wasn't accurate in a lot of ways, but it had a very good and different feel to it
It was gritty. I'm still not sure where I stand on it and I've seen it like 4 times now.
One thing about it I have no doubt about is the theatrical score. It was absolutely awesome and gave the movie that powerful/darker mood to it.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 2:07 pm to ChewyDante
Yeah every time I watch it (again last night, thanks OP) I see more and more stuff wrong
By the way the infantry scenes are flat out terrible. All firing from the hip
By the way the infantry scenes are flat out terrible. All firing from the hip
Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:36 pm to jimbeam
I thought most of the StG44s were sent to the eastern front.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 4:39 pm to jimbeam
Google Marching Fire "firing from the hip just as effective"
Posted on 9/6/16 at 5:02 pm to Corch Urban Myers
A lot of soldiers picked up weapons that they felt superior to their US counterpart.
The US in WW2 didnt have an assault rifle. So even if it was shitty in the grand scheme of things, it was still new technology that was exciting to the folks on the front.
My issue would've been the lack of ammo availability. You'd literally have to kill a german with a Stur44 to keep shooting. Doesnt seem like a good philosophy to me.
ETA - A 44 is not comparable to a Tommy gun or Greaser. Much better accuracy and longer range capability.
The US in WW2 didnt have an assault rifle. So even if it was shitty in the grand scheme of things, it was still new technology that was exciting to the folks on the front.
My issue would've been the lack of ammo availability. You'd literally have to kill a german with a Stur44 to keep shooting. Doesnt seem like a good philosophy to me.
ETA - A 44 is not comparable to a Tommy gun or Greaser. Much better accuracy and longer range capability.
This post was edited on 9/6/16 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:17 pm to ChewyDante
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Sten or Grease Gun?
American steel manufacturing has always been superior to the rest of the world. It was way ahead of it's time in the 30's and 40's. The only ones on par with us these days are the ones we have chosen to share this knowledge with. Japs, Western Europe...you get the idea.
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MG-42's were clearly made with cheaper and cruder construction methods than others but it didn't render them inferior platforms, did it?
The MG42 is by all accounts an awesome weapon and I can't tell you why it is so. It does have a really awesome ROF. Maybe the Germans put more of their better materials into it's making, I don't know. That is pure speculation on my part.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 3:15 pm to Corch Urban Myers
So much wrong with OP. First of all, not a machine gun. Second of all, not a piece of shite. A lot of GIs wouldn't have survived the war had it gotten into the war earlier and been mass produced.
Also, it heavily influenced the Kalashnikov platform, which is pretty much the most successful infantry weapon of the modern era.
The one great point here was that hauling it around would have been impractical because it fired a cartridge that wouldn't be laying around all over the place. With regards to the movie, a guy like that might have just carried it around with a few mags just to be a bad arse and had a Thompson for his daily driver.
Also, it heavily influenced the Kalashnikov platform, which is pretty much the most successful infantry weapon of the modern era.
The one great point here was that hauling it around would have been impractical because it fired a cartridge that wouldn't be laying around all over the place. With regards to the movie, a guy like that might have just carried it around with a few mags just to be a bad arse and had a Thompson for his daily driver.
This post was edited on 9/7/16 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 9/7/16 at 4:34 pm to Scoop
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Also, it heavily influenced the Kalashnikov platform
Infuencing it is one thing. Actually being a an effective weapon, is something else.
I think you know this, but just want to be an dick.
That's ok though, I forgive you.
This is the internet. People love to show their arse.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 5:56 pm to Corch Urban Myers
I don't get your point. I've got a good 20+ years being a pretty involved WW2 history buff and my impression has always been that it was good that it was a late war deployment and it was a terribly effective infantry weapon on the Eastern front where most were sent.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 8:18 pm to Scoop
Then I shall defer to you, brother. I am open to all opinions and facts on here.
I am not interested in being a contrary and combative a-hole internet warrior. Disregard my stupid-arse signature. That was something based on what the real Urban Meyer said on a recruiting trip to a kid that chose Michigan LOL
I am not interested in being a contrary and combative a-hole internet warrior. Disregard my stupid-arse signature. That was something based on what the real Urban Meyer said on a recruiting trip to a kid that chose Michigan LOL
This post was edited on 9/7/16 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 9/18/16 at 11:26 am to Corch Urban Myers
The STG-44 was the first modern assault rifle. It fired a shortened 8mm Mauser cartridge in 8mm Kurz. The STG-44 was captured in great numbers by the Russians and was the starting point for the development of the AK-47. It was selective Fire with a 30 round detachable box magazine. It had a cyclic rate of fire that could compete with submachine guns like the MP40 and the Thompson but could fire accurately at mid range of 300 to 400 meters. It was NOT widely regarded as " a worthless piece of shite".
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