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Miles is Not as good as many think
Posted on 9/5/16 at 1:44 am
Posted on 9/5/16 at 1:44 am
So Les won a Nation Championship after Saban left, anyone in Baton Rouge could have coached that team to a title, remember most of them were Saban's players and still had his training mindset.
So fast forward to 2012, Les gets to the title game against an Alabama team that we were fortunate to beat in the regular season. Does Les change his offensive game plan for the title game, well of course not, and Saban thought he had died and gone to heaven, all they had to do was adjust to what they did wrong in the first meeting and change their style for the game...... we no the end result, a very embarrassing loss, which by the way made it look like we shouldn't have even been on the same field with them. Good Coaching...think not.
Quarterback play, doesn't anyone think it strange that Jefferson, Jennings and Harris as well, all top picks coming out of High School, all underperform for Les Miles offensive scheme. He is not willing to build a team around a quarterbacks strengths but around a 1970's-80's outdated running game. Proof, look at Saban, year in and year out, he adjusts his offensive game plans to his green quarterbacks and builds the team around this, just like he did with our avaerage quarterbacks when he coached at LSU. But he knew what they were able to do and taught them to do it mistake free, this was all he needed to put wins up. Les doesn't get it and never will, Jimbo Fisher gets it, look at what he did with Florida State and is still doing. Its not the players, its the Coach and the Offensive Coordinator, that is who teaches the discipline and skills to the team, which is not happening at LSU. Boutte's late hit shows where the discipline on this team is, bad enough we lost, but that hit gave the program a black eye for at least a few more weeks.
The point is, Les really has done no more than produce 10-2 teams each season, the problem is he is being paid a lot of money to win championships, at the very least a SEC Championship. I hope this is his last season, we have a team with arguably the most talent in college football this season, the problem is we don't have the right coaches to make them great like they are capable of. I do hope we get Herman or Fisher, at least we all know that Fisher knows how to run an offense and develop quarterbacks. Think about it, the last three quarterbacks weve had and they all degress instead of progress during the season. Watch Alabama's new quarterback this year and watch how he progresses compared to our quarterbacks, you be the judge. Because with out a quarterback and a leader of the offense, it doesn't matter how good of players we get if they have no general to lead them on the field.
So fast forward to 2012, Les gets to the title game against an Alabama team that we were fortunate to beat in the regular season. Does Les change his offensive game plan for the title game, well of course not, and Saban thought he had died and gone to heaven, all they had to do was adjust to what they did wrong in the first meeting and change their style for the game...... we no the end result, a very embarrassing loss, which by the way made it look like we shouldn't have even been on the same field with them. Good Coaching...think not.
Quarterback play, doesn't anyone think it strange that Jefferson, Jennings and Harris as well, all top picks coming out of High School, all underperform for Les Miles offensive scheme. He is not willing to build a team around a quarterbacks strengths but around a 1970's-80's outdated running game. Proof, look at Saban, year in and year out, he adjusts his offensive game plans to his green quarterbacks and builds the team around this, just like he did with our avaerage quarterbacks when he coached at LSU. But he knew what they were able to do and taught them to do it mistake free, this was all he needed to put wins up. Les doesn't get it and never will, Jimbo Fisher gets it, look at what he did with Florida State and is still doing. Its not the players, its the Coach and the Offensive Coordinator, that is who teaches the discipline and skills to the team, which is not happening at LSU. Boutte's late hit shows where the discipline on this team is, bad enough we lost, but that hit gave the program a black eye for at least a few more weeks.
The point is, Les really has done no more than produce 10-2 teams each season, the problem is he is being paid a lot of money to win championships, at the very least a SEC Championship. I hope this is his last season, we have a team with arguably the most talent in college football this season, the problem is we don't have the right coaches to make them great like they are capable of. I do hope we get Herman or Fisher, at least we all know that Fisher knows how to run an offense and develop quarterbacks. Think about it, the last three quarterbacks weve had and they all degress instead of progress during the season. Watch Alabama's new quarterback this year and watch how he progresses compared to our quarterbacks, you be the judge. Because with out a quarterback and a leader of the offense, it doesn't matter how good of players we get if they have no general to lead them on the field.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 2:00 am to southern438
I completely agree w/ your premise. Miles is an all timer when it comes to doing less w/ more.
My question is, how did you manage to not make one post since you opened your account nearly 4 years ago?
My question is, how did you manage to not make one post since you opened your account nearly 4 years ago?
Posted on 9/5/16 at 2:02 am to Jesterea
Up vote for that being your first post
Posted on 9/5/16 at 2:06 am to stuntman
Just followed the postings never posted, but after what I watched Saturday, couldn't hold back anymore, I wanted to see them let him go last year. I don't usually twitter either lol, but I learned how on Saturday lol. I have been a Tiger Fan for over 40 years and surprised Miles wasn't let go last year.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 2:11 am to southern438
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o Les won a Nation Championship after Saban left, anyone in Baton Rouge could have coached that team to a title, remember most of them were Saban's players and still had his training mindset.
Then why did saban lose 3 games in his last season? Why couldnt saban win with that team. Also, every single player on that 07 team spent more times under Miles than saban.
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So fast forward to 2012, Les gets to the title game against an Alabama team that we were fortunate to beat in the regular season
Fortunate? They won the game. Its not Miles fault that Saban kept calling for fgs. 3 of his misses wouldve been career long fgs for his kicker.
Great coaching? I think not.
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Quarterback play, doesn't anyone think it strange that Jefferson,
JJ is one of the most productive qbs in lsu history.
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Les doesn't get it and never will, Jimbo Fisher gets it, look at what he did with Florida State
Losing 3 games like we did last year?
Jimbo also coaches in a conf with only 1 other great program.
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The point is, Les really has done no more than produce 10-2 teams each season,
He has had the best tenure in lsu history. If youre shitting on Miles' accomplishments then no coach has ever been successful at lsu.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 2:14 am to stuntman
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Miles is an all timer when it comes to doing less w/ more.
What?
Doing less with more?
Since his hire no program has beaten more ranked teams.
No program has been ranked in the 25 more weeks.
He has the besy win% in lsu history.
He has the #1 ooc win % in sec history
And he achieved those great numbers while coaching in the most dominant era of sec football ever.
So please explain how he has done less with more.
I think its time for a change but that doesnt mean i have to shite on the best tenure in lsu history.
This post was edited on 9/5/16 at 2:17 am
Posted on 9/5/16 at 2:18 am to Rickdaddy4188
How many players does he have in the NFL since '11?
Now, how many New Years Day bowls since '11?
He's been loaded...LOADED w/ talent since '11, but CLEARLY under achieved.
Are you related to him or something?
Now, how many New Years Day bowls since '11?
He's been loaded...LOADED w/ talent since '11, but CLEARLY under achieved.
Are you related to him or something?
This post was edited on 9/5/16 at 2:20 am
Posted on 9/5/16 at 2:20 am to Rickdaddy4188
He has lose 4 of his last 5 regular season games while being favored in 4 of them. I know I should count the earth shattering win against Texas tech and after the Wisconsin game I'm hanging on to it also. 6 years in a row of throwing balls 20 yards down the field with in 5 yards of the sideline. Les lost his chest during the pick 6 season of lee's years ago and has been afraid do try anything different since then.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 2:23 am to stuntman
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How many players does he have in the NFL since '11?
Now, how many New Years Day bowls since '11?
He's been loaded...LOADED w/ talent since 'll, but CLEARLY under achieved.
There are numerous programs that recruit just as well as lsu and they have down years too.
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Now, how many New Years Day bowls since '11?
Why since 2011?
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Are you related to him or something?
Stating facts about Miles' tenure isnt defending him. It's called reality.
Only someone with no football knowledge would say the best tenure ever at a top 10 alltime program is underachieving.
He has as many top 5 finishes at lsu as Saban, Mac, and Dietzel combined.
You also need to go look at our recent draft classes because the last 2 havent been these huge draft classes.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 2:25 am to Rickdaddy4188
He can't seem to get out of his way
Posted on 9/5/16 at 2:26 am to stuntman
Ricky isn't related to Miles. But like it or not he posts facts.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 2:26 am to tigertalkster
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He has lose 4 of his last 5 regular season games while being favored in 4 of them. I know I should count the earth shattering win against Texas tech and after the Wisconsin game I'm hanging on to it also. 6 years in a row of throwing balls 20 yards down the field with in 5 yards of the sideline. Les lost his chest during the pick 6 season of lee's years ago and has been afraid do try anything different since then.
Its time for a change but that doesnt mean he has underacheived at lsu.
If Miles has underachieved at lsu then no coach has ever succeeded at lsu.
If having the best win%, best ooc win %, most top 25, top 20, top 15 n top 10, and top 5 finishes in lsu history is underachieving then no coach has ever been successful at lsu.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 2:28 am to TGFN57
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Ricky isn't related to Miles. But like it or not he posts facts.
Exactly. Miles needs to go but having the best tenure ever at lsu means its impossible to have underachieved.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 2:30 am to Rickdaddy4188
He needs to understand how college football operates in 2016
Posted on 9/5/16 at 2:30 am to sjmabry
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can't seem to get out of his way
I just dont understand why he wont put his players in a position to succeed. It's frustrating as frick. Everyone knows Harris cant read the defense while taking his drop. Put him in the shotgun and let him scan the field.
Its also clear that Harris isnt a full field progression qb( most cfb qbs arent) so why not set up trips to ome side so that he doesnt have to look 130-180 degrees of the field.
This post was edited on 9/5/16 at 2:33 am
Posted on 9/5/16 at 2:32 am to sjmabry
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He needs to understand how college football operates in 2016
Our scheme could work fine if Miles could develop a qb. The problem is that he recruits these dual threat qbs and then asks them to do things theyve never done before,
Posted on 9/5/16 at 2:33 am to Rickdaddy4188
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There are numerous programs that recruit just as well as lsu and they have down years too.
Like who? Who's been down as long as LSU while putting such an insane number of guys in the NFL?
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Why since 2011?
Because right after that is when the decline started...even though LSU has among the highest paid staffs in the country.
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Stating facts about Miles' tenure isnt defending him. It's called reality.
He's clearly under achieving. Sorry, but when you have so many players in the NFL, you should have A LOT more trophies in the case. I understand that Bama is in the division, but LSU is now mediocre in the SEC. Has been for a few years now, even though they recruit at a very high level.
Coaching has fallen off a cliff.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 2:34 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Our scheme could work fine if Miles could develop a qb. The problem is that he recruits these dual threat qbs and then asks them to do things theyve never done before,
Coaching.
Sure seems like you're agreeing w/ me.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 2:34 am to Rickdaddy4188
You are seeing the light now Ricky..... I watched a ton of football this weekend and saw offenses that were productive with freshman qbs..... Look at Texas , unreal how they were able to come up with a gameplan that scored a ton of points....
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