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re: The 2009 Arrest of Alton Sterling
Posted on 7/11/16 at 7:59 am to The First Cut
Posted on 7/11/16 at 7:59 am to The First Cut
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The guy may well have been a TPOS, but the ONLY justification for lethal force would be if Sterling pulled his gun. 2009's arrest means absolutely nothing when determining if Sterling pulled his gun.
The 2009 incident is relevant because it shows a sequence of events identical to the current set of events. It shows his predilection to pull a gun on police while being arrested. More importantly, it goes directly against the people saying he "never carried a gun" and "wasn't a violent person" which are both comments being floated during the protests. Of relevance was that this happened in the relatively recent past and not 25 years ago. In the same town, same police department and for the same reasons.
Arguing that this isn't relevant is disingenuous.
Posted on 7/11/16 at 8:17 am to jbgleason
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it goes directly against the people saying he "never carried a gun" and "wasn't a violent person" which are both comments being floated during the protests.
Along with a culture of violence, the dissolution of the family structure, and overall lack of discipline and accountability, the fact that blacks are so quick to defend and lie about the actual criminal and uncivilized behavior of these thugs is a HUGE part of the problem here.
It's hard to have sympathy for these thugs, or their grieving loved ones when they repeatedly refuse to accept that there was a history of violence, criminality, and reprehensible behavior.
The term "dindu" didn't just appear from thin air. Time after time we see some wailing mother beside herself, insisting that her dead thug was a "good boy" who "dindu nuthin", only to have the dudes rap sheet be revealed to show crime after crime after crime. Look lady, I know your son is dead, and that's tragic. But what was your stance when junior was stealing, fighting, raping, dealing, and thugging all those past times? Did it never occur to you that his actions were a yellow brick road to this final fate?
Irresponsible, insufficient, and unqualified parenting is at the heart of most of these problems. And the culture of most black communities that accepts and promotes the single parent multiple father welfare model has got to be changed before this gets any better.
This post was edited on 7/11/16 at 8:20 am
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:51 pm to jbgleason
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The 2009 incident is relevant because it shows a sequence of events identical to the current set of events. It shows his predilection to pull a gun on police while being arrested.
But he didn't pull a gun. He "tried to reach into his left pocket for an unknown item" and then a gun "fell from his waistband." Subsequently, a "small plastic bag of suspected marijuana" was recovered from his left pocket. I don't even see where he fought the officer, just that he tried to flee and wrestle himself way. This is all from the probable cause affidavit (page 33 at this LINK)
This guy was a POS and should have been in jail, but how does this 2009 incident support the notion that he had to be killed? The same thing happened last time, with just 1 officer present, no shots were fired or attempted, and everyone survived basically unharmed. Shouldn't we expect the same outcome from these 2 officers?
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