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re: Police go to wrong address, kill homeowner in the middle of the night
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:41 pm to Ash Williams
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:41 pm to Ash Williams
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John Oliver had a good report on 911 and their difficulties with cell phones when it comes to accurate location dispatches
Crazy how uber can pinpoint your location but emergency services can't.
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:42 pm to NYNolaguy1
They about to get paidd~~~~
Posted on 6/15/16 at 7:22 am to saintsfan1977
We do ask them basic questions, but a lot of times we don't get cooperation from them or they can't talk.
When Nicole called 911 on OJ all the dispatcher could hear was a screaming woman. They had the address because it was a landline. Imagine if that was a cell phone?
When Nicole called 911 on OJ all the dispatcher could hear was a screaming woman. They had the address because it was a landline. Imagine if that was a cell phone?
Posted on 6/15/16 at 7:25 am to Golfer
What a lot of y'all don't understand is that a lot of times people call 911 and can'tor won't say anything.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 8:14 am to NoNameTiger
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Maybe you should find out before gunning innocent people down.
No where in this thread have I defended the officers involved. I am only giving out facts about how this situation happens every day. Our little city gets a ton of 911 hang ups every day. It is very frustrating for officers
Posted on 6/15/16 at 8:17 am to saintsfan1977
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Yea, I should take a huge paycut to sit in a cruiser, and issue tickets to every other vehicle doing 5 over. No thanks.
I can't argue about the pay cut. Starting pay does suck, but I will tell you that writing tickets is very boring. I hardly ever write tickets, pretty boring police work for me. I would rather do other things.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 10:03 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
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What a lot of y'all don't understand is that a lot of times people call 911 and can'tor won't say anything.
I understand. So each time this happens, the cops are dispatched to the address associated with the cell phone? Surely you can't be this stupid.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 10:38 am to Golfer
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I understand. So each time this happens, the cops are dispatched to the address associated with the cell phone? Surely you can't be this stupid.
So tell me where are we supposed to go?
We only go to that address is we have the contact info in our system after calling the number back and trying to get better information.
It is not stupid, a lot of times the person needing our help is at the residence. Just like if we get a 911 hang up from a land line.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:07 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
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We only go to that address is we have the contact info in our system after calling the number back and trying to get better information.
This would be a fantastic use of a Stingray type of device.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:22 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
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What a lot of y'all don't understand is that a lot of times people call 911 and can'tor won't say anything.
No...it seems like we understand this fully.
The part we don't understand is that considering you're aware of the very real fact that this is happening, how you or anyone else could suggest that identifying yourselves as police officers is a bad idea, because you'll put yourselves at jeopardy.
You're acknowledging a situation where you're ignorant of the full situation based on the limitations of the tech, where you're purposefully not identifying yourselves for fear of giving yourselves away and being in harm...and then suggesting that the fall out (in this case, innocent people who rightfully try and defend themselves from what appears to be some sort of home invasion) is just the cost of doing business?
Sorry...that's the part you're gonna have to do a better job with, because all it seems to me you're doing to elevating the worth of the lives of LEO's while lowering the worth of civilians. As one of the potential innocent civilians, you might imagine I take a tad bit of exception with that.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:27 am to GeauxTigerTM
I don't have a problem with any arguments that the officer should have better identified himself or not been as quick to shoot.
What is silly is claiming the officer shouldn't have been on the property and was trespassing. It's a shooting call you can't wait and do a background investigation on the cell phone number. You have to respond.
What is silly is claiming the officer shouldn't have been on the property and was trespassing. It's a shooting call you can't wait and do a background investigation on the cell phone number. You have to respond.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:32 am to theenemy
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I don't have a problem with any arguments that the officer should have better identified himself or not been as quick to shoot.
Gulf Coast has said he does...I'm referencing something he's already said in this thread. He's welcome to clarify that if he'd like.
ETA: I'm referencing this on page 5 3/4's of the way down:
GCT
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So you want the officers to make themselves big shiny targets for a potential gunman?
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What is silly is claiming the officer shouldn't have been on the property and was trespassing. It's a shooting call you can't wait and do a background investigation on the cell phone number. You have to respond.
I agree. However, the above is the only way this is ok...so long as we acknowledge that because of the lack of tech (or straight up misinformation or incompetence) police are often in the wrong place. At the end of the day, "Whoops" is not going to cut it if some innocent get killed by even the most well meaning officer if he does so by killing them on their own property when they've done nothing wrong and the LEO was only there because he was in the wrong place.
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 11:35 am
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:47 am to dgnx6
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Crazy how uber can pinpoint your location but emergency services can't.
I would like to see it that when you called 911 we could track your phone's location, but only for that call.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:49 am to GeauxTigerTM
I never said don't identify yourself as a police officer, I said we are not going to sit in our cars with the lights on and get on the PA announcing our presence like it was suggested.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:53 am to GeauxTigerTM
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GeauxTigerTM
I really don't think you are understanding fully what I am saying. This is a frustrating problem and I would love to see it corrected somehow without people losing their rights to privacy. I know I wouldn't want this terrible situation on my hands and I am sure I speak for most officers. When we respond to a tense situation we are coming to help a victim and we want to try and make sure the victim is safe and so are we.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:57 am to NYNolaguy1
This is unwarranted murder. How are heads not rolling?
Posted on 6/15/16 at 12:09 pm to Starchild
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How are heads not rolling?
Because DAs have a hard time prosecuting the same guys that give him convictions. It's bad for business and morale, plus it opens the city/town/county up to additional liability.
No doubt the family will get compensated and an maybe recieve a verbal apology, but that's it. The odds of any disciplinary or criminal liability whatsoever are very close to 0.
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 6/15/16 at 12:25 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
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I would like to see it that when you called 911 we could track your phone's location, but only for that call.
What motivation would people have to give police the ability to track their phone? And what have police done to earn the trust necessary to not abuse information that has been given in good faith?
Personally I'd like to see police powers restricted even further. It's been proven over and over again the more power you grant someone the more corrupt they become. We have no reason to lift a finger to make police jobs easier and/or more safe. Police already have armored troop carriers and military weapons, what else do you think they need?
In 2015 police on average tased one person to death per week. Why on earth would anyone trust police to do anything correctly?
Posted on 6/15/16 at 12:32 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
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I never said don't identify yourself as a police officer, I said we are not going to sit in our cars with the lights on and get on the PA announcing our presence like it was suggested
But why? Someone called for help, others do not know that. So why not turn on the lights and announce your presence? Are you afraid you won't get to empty your gun on an unsuspecting bystander?
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