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Belmont Stakes: Exaggerator at 6 to 5

Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:00 am
Posted by Clyde Tipton
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:00 am
Stradivari and Suddenbreakingnews are the next two favorites.

I like Creator to get in the exacta at 15 to 1 after sitting out the Preakness.
Posted by Paul Orndorff
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Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 7:37 pm to
Pletcher is a complete tossout. When will yall get off the bandwagon? Sudden breaking news will be ridden by Mike Smith as a ridgling. Exxagerrator is a nice colt, but Kent has flamed out when the $ is in the line at Belmont. I'm not saying the horse is a bum, but I will try to beat him.
Posted by vengeanceofrain
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 7:47 pm to
Lani is the play of the year here. The end game had always been the Belmont bes bred to run this far better than the others he's in alfeet Alex level shape galloping 2 miles a day and he's the only horse to have his final work be over 4 furlongs


Posted by Paul Orndorff
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 8:04 pm to
You serious, Clark?
Posted by vengeanceofrain
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:36 pm to
i'm always serious when it comes to horse racing. you can shite on my basketball threads all day long but i know my shite when it comes to horse racing.


1. Lani is By Tapit, sire of Tonalist who won the belmont 2 years ago. His dam, his dam, heavenly romance, is a grade 1 winner at..... 2000 meters which is roughly a mile and a quarter, in japan. He's a half sibling to 2 graded stakes winners at a mile and a quarter. His damsire, Sunday Silence, came in 2nd in the Belmont to Easy Goer while going for the triple crown. He was shipped to japan where he became the greatest sire in japnese history, siring amoung others Deep Impact, japanese triple crown winner and the WORLD RECORD holder for a 3200 meter (2 mile) race (3:13 and 4, he's first by a full second)


Lani running coming to the US to run here is no different than Casino Drive coming to run in 2008, is no different than Rags to Riches running against the boys in 2007. It's a pedigree play. Lani is bred up and down to gobble up the distance unlike these american fancy bred horses. He wasn't fully cranked up for the derby and the derby and preaknesses were races that pointed him to the belmont.


2. He gallops 2 miles everyday. EVERY.DAY. doesn't mean he's better than the other horses. it does mean he's in better shape than the other horses.


3. In long distance races, I personally like to look for horses that have run a long work before the race or an extremely short BLOWOUT like 3 in 34-35 or something which tells me distinctly they are going to the lead and want a fresh live horse. A long good H work tells me they are loaded and ready to go. He's the only one with a 5F work

quote:

Destin, with jockey Javier Castellano in the saddle, was the first to work and completed his half-mile breeze in 49.56 seconds while in company with stablemate Awesome Gent. Destin, wearing the blinkers he runs in, was on the outside of Awesome Gent, winner of the Jimmy Winkfield Stakes at Aqueduct earlier this year. They matched each other, stride for stride, throughout the move. The early splits for the work, according to Pletcher's stopwatch, were :13.20 for the opening eighth of a mile and :25.00 for the initial quarter of a mile.



toss


quote:

Next on deck was Stradivari, with Hall of Fame jockey John Velazquez in the irons. They were joined by Decorated Soldier in the half-mile work, which was recorded in :50.55.


toss

quote:

“I don't think the 49 and change or 50 and change really tells the whole story about what the breeze actually was – a good and strong gallop-out and good steady 12 and change splits.”
pletcher trying to justify his horses shite tier workouts to the public. these horses have nos hot in hell they 're there for the spotlight, and that's okay, but call it what it is

quote:

With jockey Joel Rosario aboard, Belmont Stakes contender Governor Malibu hit the main track at Belmont Park early Friday morning. Breezing in company, the son of Malibu Moon completed five furlongs in just over a minute, according to trainer Christophe Clement.


he might not win, hell he might lol but Clement is serious. Clement really doens't do dirt horses anyway anytime he puts a horse in a dirt stakes race you need to pay attention

quote:

Tanaka was quite happy Wednesday after watching Lani work five furlongs in 1:02.36 over the main track, with a final quarter in 24.55 seconds.



4. Belmont, all of New york racing really, unlike the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness, don't let horses run on Bute. All the horses in the field will be running without Bute, some of them like Exaggatror, for the first time. JRA (Japanese Racing Association) doesn't allow drugs of any kind in their race horses, Lani has never on on it.

They brought Lani here with the sole intention of winning the belmont. that was the game plan. that's why he's still here. if you want to score BOMBS in horse racing, learn to pin point the intentions of connections and races they are pointing for. they were pointing for this race all along.
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 10:48 pm
Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 6/4/16 at 12:54 am to
Sounds like you know a hell of a lot more than I do about this stuff. Sounds like I'll follow your lead and put a buck or two on Lani
Posted by TheWalrus
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 6/4/16 at 1:04 am to
Geez, I would have never guessed you were a horse racing expert, but that looks like some serious analysis.
Posted by vengeanceofrain
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12465 posts
Posted on 6/4/16 at 1:49 am to
horse racing is my thing. My name (vengeance of rain) is literally the name of a japanese race horse

LINK

I'm not guranteeing he's going to win or anything. I am saying that the whole point of him coming to the US, was for the Belmont Stakes, and I'll take my chances on a horse when he's pointed to a specific race at the astronomical price he's going to be. To put it another way, he's going to run his best race in the Belmont. You'll be surprised how often horses, as in, 80% of the time, aren't running their A game. He's gonna run his A game saturday. Throw in the fact that they run right handed (We run left handed) down there and the time it took for him to adjust from Dubai to the States, yeah it's all systems go.
This post was edited on 6/4/16 at 1:58 am
Posted by vengeanceofrain
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Posted on 6/4/16 at 2:03 am to
One more thing. Go back and look at the preakness again. Just watch Lani the entire race. He was coming on like a fricking freight train at the end. They're racing him into shape. He will be loaded for fricking bear come next saturday
Posted by Paul Orndorff
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Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 6/4/16 at 8:11 am to
Good luck with your plays. Almost every year horses from Japan are rammed down the throats of horse players by the turf writers. Casino Drive, Espoir City and now this one. I really don't see him winning. Talk all the pedigree you want, but the results matter and he hasn't shown me squat so far in the 1st 2 legs.
Posted by vengeanceofrain
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Posted on 6/4/16 at 9:36 am to


1. that's TWO horses in the last EIGHT YEARS whtere the frick does EVERY YEAR come from.

2. Even worse, NEITHER ONE OF THEM SUCKED LOL. Casino Drive won the peter pan stakes the prep for the belmont.. BY 6 frickING LENGTHS LINK

how is this being shooved down your throat lol? when you win the prep race for the belmont stakes, by half a dozen lengths, and your sister won the belmont stakes the year before lol, people are going to expect good things from you .


Your basically shitting on Espior city for having the burden of running in the blame / zenyatta / quality road breeders cup classic. And frick he didn't run bad. he split the field, hell he was in it to win it in the stretch he didn't lose by much.


3. You do realize that there is not really a such thing as a japanese horse and an american horse or a south american horse. they all have the same blood. They aren't different breds or anything. shite Lani was literally born in kentucky. Espiors grandsire is Sunday Silence who was Kentucky based. Casino Drive was born in kentucky, half sister to rags to riches and iron man. Vodka, the japanese filly who won the japan derby in 2007 and 13 million dollars overall in her career, has the same hail to reason / roberto sireline as buckpasser.


the only difference is where they race and unless you are implying that japanese people only buy the shitty american horses we don't want then i don't know what you're implying


4. we send hosres down there all the time cough lava man cough and they get the ever living shite beat out of them


5. the reason there are only 2 horses to come here that you can think of out of 8 is because they run for more money down there... there is a reason vodka won 13 MILLION dollars in her career and only won 10 races. that's TWICE as much as Zenatta. an allowance race here in america pays about 50-60k depending on where you are, in japan it's about ten million yen or 120 thousand dollars. you try to make it sound like they have shite racing and only a few try to come here and run. Japan has quite possibly day in and day out the highest quality racing on EARTH.

my point is, give me a reason other than emotions and xenophobia why you don't like Japanese horses. don't ever let emotions diciate how you wager. I'd wager on a hosre owned by hitler if i thought i was getting good value lol. lol the japanese can win the 10 million dollar dubai world cup but can't win a graded stakes race in america lol? is that your arguement?
Posted by vengeanceofrain
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Member since Jun 2013
12465 posts
Posted on 6/4/16 at 9:44 am to
lol i can tell you are a Beyer Speed Figure Disciple


Also AP Indy Won the Belmont as a Ridgling
Posted by Paul Orndorff
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2016
189 posts
Posted on 6/4/16 at 2:18 pm to
Foreign horses don't win triple crown races. The numbers don't lie dude. Just like Americans don't win the Japan Cup or something. Lani has ZERO chance in the Belmont, ZERO. Don't see the Jap jockey getting rides to get a feel for the track? There is a difference between galloping or exercising in the morning as opposed to actually riding in a race. Belmont is vastly different than riding in Japan or Meydan. Besides, his highest Beyer figure is 100. Too slow and a tossout, thank you
Posted by Paul Orndorff
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 6/4/16 at 2:26 pm to
What freight train? He's too slow. He couldn't catch Exxagerrator if he had 109 lbs on him. Like I said, I respect the opinion of the horse, but he has shown me nothing in 2 races and why all of a sudden would he change now? No way no how
Posted by stlslick
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 6/4/16 at 3:29 pm to
What the frick is going on in this thread?

Posted by AZTiger7072
Tucson
Member since Oct 2011
2659 posts
Posted on 6/4/16 at 4:37 pm to
Lani is definitely a play...

Exaggerator is the horse to beat tho and so are Suddenbreakingnews and creator...

Also a horse to watch is gunrunner...


This will be the race with the most value of the three
Posted by Paul Orndorff
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2016
189 posts
Posted on 6/4/16 at 5:40 pm to
Talking about picks in the Belmont Stakes. It's all good.
Posted by vengeanceofrain
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Member since Jun 2013
12465 posts
Posted on 6/4/16 at 6:59 pm to
The Manhattan and acorn are the races I really want to see
Posted by Aspercel
Member since Jan 2009
114233 posts
Posted on 6/4/16 at 9:52 pm to
Out of loyalty to Sunday silence I've put $2 on Lani in the other 2

And I'm sure the week in alcohol treatment will really help Drunkie out

Maybe his brother sent him to Utah to try to keep him sober until the race.
This post was edited on 6/4/16 at 9:53 pm
Posted by Paul Orndorff
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2016
189 posts
Posted on 6/4/16 at 10:58 pm to
Keith sent him to Oral Roberts rehab
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