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re: LaTech baseball fans: Question(s) about Goff

Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:40 pm to
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:40 pm to
Nah, don't hate the guy. I get wanting to get a good RPI win but I don't agree with the way he went about it.
Posted by LaCajunsFan
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:45 pm to
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Crowds of 2,000 were reported for the Rice series, FWIW. Decent crowd at the Northwestern State game, which I attended.

Anecdotal; I was talking long-term actual numbers based on their official budget.
Very low ticket sales across the board, even worse numbers for their royalties, merchandising, etc. No matter which data you anaylise, it will show very low fan support.
Posted by msutiger
Shreveport
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:48 pm to
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This post was edited on 4/5/23 at 1:12 pm
Posted by LaCajunsFan
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Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:49 pm to
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Nah, don't hate the guy. I get wanting to get a good RPI win but I don't agree with the way he went about it.


No hate here, just zero respect fir the guy for doing that to that kid. But I'm sure he'll have no regrets since it will get him athat job at a better school/program that he is looking for.

Posted by msutiger
Shreveport
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:50 pm to
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Anecdotal; I was talking long-term actual numbers based on their official budget.
Very low ticket sales across the board, even worse numbers for their royalties, merchandising, etc. No matter which data you anaylise, it will show very low fan support.



And yet we are in the conference you would smash your left testicle to be in.

Funny how that works.
Posted by msutiger
Shreveport
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:50 pm to
It's also hilarious how quickly you upvote yourself.
Posted by LaCajunsFan
UL Ragin Cajuns
Member since Mar 2014
1262 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:52 pm to
Yep....no doubt that we should be in a much better conference than you. Believe me, we are very aware of that sad fact.

But none of that changes the facts I've stated about the lack of support of your fan base.
This post was edited on 6/2/16 at 8:54 pm
Posted by msutiger
Shreveport
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:53 pm to
Hendo, I've seen you bring up the JUCO thing in several threads.


I'm honestly curious. You don't think that's sustainable? I understand how's it's completely unsustainable in football due to strict singning limits, but it doesn't feel like it would be a complete program killer in baseball.

Start with a lot of JUCO and then slowly transition into high school players.
Posted by LaCajunsFan
UL Ragin Cajuns
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:55 pm to
But when you have 26 jucos it boggles the mind how the regular players can be 'slowly' integrated into your program.
This post was edited on 6/2/16 at 8:57 pm
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
35066 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:59 pm to
Didn't he pitch the kid Tuesday, and then again on Sunday? Just as he would pitch in a professional rotation?

If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will correct me.
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6265 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:11 pm to
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No matter which data you anaylise, it will show very low fan support.



I do believe the new AD is having problems... you can quantify those issues in the audit reports from from the state of Lousiana.

Have you ever looked at their foundation reports...not the kiddie league BS they put out for public view.....their real private non university related fundraising board? No one has....but the make up of that board is a power hitter lineup of redneck financial power.

the bigger issue for Latech will be reporting of operating budget and fundraising numbers. Should the AAC or MWC ever call, Tech will be forced to stop reporting their public Southland conference budget and put together a real picture of what is happening....that is something that some of their elite don't want to happen.



Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160118 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:12 pm to
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You don't think that's sustainable?


It is if you hit on all of those JUCOS. The issue is that you're not going to get as much progression out of those guys and you're not really coaching them up as much as a high school player. In other words, you only have them for 2 years so if they come in and struggle, they're basically wasting scholarship money. Whereas if a Freshman struggles, you still have him for another 3 years or you can send him to a JUCO for a year and get him back.


It's a much safer route to supplement your squad with JUCO guys to fill the gaps. I think they definitely are very valuable for baseball. The Cajuns go the JUCO route pretty often but it's usually to get a power bat or to fill a few spots.

quote:

Start with a lot of JUCO and then slowly transition into high school players.



Yeah I think that's the plan and it's not a bad one especially because La Tech had no talent on that team.

I'm just very skeptical of a guy who comes in and brings in a bunch of junior college guys and has immediate success. Maybe he wants to build a winner or maybe he wants to pad his resume for a year or two and then skip town.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160118 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:15 pm to
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Didn't he pitch the kid Tuesday, and then again on Sunday? Just as he would pitch in a professional rotation?



He started on the Friday for Tech, then came back on the Tuesday against us and threw another 110 pitches. 200 or so pitches in less than a week in February (cold weather and just a couple of weeks into the season) is begging for arm trouble, then the kid ended up going down with an arm injury.
Posted by LaCajunsFan
UL Ragin Cajuns
Member since Mar 2014
1262 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:17 pm to
Yes indeed: if nothing else the current financial mess in La it has shed light on all of the athletic budgets in the state. LTU-R is the worst, with lots of money 'shifted' to other areas, and otherwise just plain shenanigans that they have have been doing. That won't last long in this current atmosphere of taxpayer scrutiny....much less with other conferences.
Posted by LaCajunsFan
UL Ragin Cajuns
Member since Mar 2014
1262 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:20 pm to
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He started on the Friday for Tech, then came back on the Tuesday against us and threw another 110 pitches. 200 or so pitches in less than a week in February (cold weather and just a couple of weeks into the season) is begging for arm trouble, then the kid ended up going down with an arm injury.

Thanks...I was about to post those numbers. And as previously stated...he put that kid in danger just to pad his resume.
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6265 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:30 pm to
the other way man...outside of LSU (and of course Tulane), Ul-L and LaTech have more damn "private" "off the book" activity that all other state schools not named LSU combined.

Let me upfront....in Louisiana, I believe their should be LSU, UL-L and Louisiana Tech - that is all that is needed....so my opinion my be biased! I don't even think there needs to be a LSU-E or a Tech Barksdale.

UL-L has taken a hit with the oil industry....but there is still plenty of financial support. If a conference shakeup does not force light on Latech's books, the segregation of athletic and academic funds will.....Latech is raking in cash money on the micro technology front...at some point those foundation activities will have to be split and open....more like what LSU does, but on a smaller scale.

Louisiana would be better off with LSU, UL-L and Louisiana Tech....and some institution in NO not named Tulane or Southern.

PS - UK, hire Goff if you can....he seems like he will build a winner....and the facility improvements in Ruston have been solid...oh wait, that is another off the books transaction happening in Ruston....
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
35066 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:32 pm to
OK, didn't realize the Tuesday start was on three day's rest.
Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
Member since Sep 2003
76806 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:34 pm to
Just looked this up. He threw 80 pitches in a day game with temps in the mid-70's. On four days rest, he threw 107 with temps in the low 50's.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160118 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:46 pm to
I completely disagree with throwing a college kid 187 pitches over the span of less than a week when you're only a week into the season. If you disagree, that's fine. I personally think it's a gamble that isn't worth taking.
Posted by LaCajunsFan
UL Ragin Cajuns
Member since Mar 2014
1262 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:54 pm to
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I completely disagree with throwing a college kid 187 pitches over the span of less than a week when you're only a week into the season. If you disagree, that's fine. I personally think it's a gamble that isn't worth taking.

And that's just the point: he took that gamble and he won.....but the kid lost.
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