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Question about the Marvel super villains
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:38 pm
I've seen a lot of hate toward the way the recent Marvel films have portrayed their super villains. Since I have very little knowledge of comic book characters, I looked at one site's top 100 comic book super villains. It looks to me that Marvel hasn't really had a lot to work with. Just take the top 10 for instance:
1. Magneto
2. Joker (DC)
3. Doctor Doom
4. Lex Luthor (DC)
5. Galactus
6. Darkseid (DC)
7. Ra's al Ghul (DC)
8. Loki
9. Kingpin
10. Catwoman (DC)
So out of the top 10, 5 are DC, and I'm not sure they'd be able to use Magneto or Dr. Doom based on their associations with X-Men and FF. And the same on a much lesser note to Galactus (FF) and Kingpin (Spiderman, Deadpool).
Looks to me like they just don't have a lot to work with. I enjoyed Red Skull and Loki but was very disappointed in Ultron.
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1. Magneto
2. Joker (DC)
3. Doctor Doom
4. Lex Luthor (DC)
5. Galactus
6. Darkseid (DC)
7. Ra's al Ghul (DC)
8. Loki
9. Kingpin
10. Catwoman (DC)
So out of the top 10, 5 are DC, and I'm not sure they'd be able to use Magneto or Dr. Doom based on their associations with X-Men and FF. And the same on a much lesser note to Galactus (FF) and Kingpin (Spiderman, Deadpool).
Looks to me like they just don't have a lot to work with. I enjoyed Red Skull and Loki but was very disappointed in Ultron.
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Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:46 pm to Dale Murphy
Kilgrave is the best villain Marvel has put on screen so far.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:48 pm to Fun Bunch
I thought kingpin was just as dope even without the mind control powers
But they get like 12 hours to build up the hero and the villain on Netflix in the movie you might get 2 and a half
But they get like 12 hours to build up the hero and the villain on Netflix in the movie you might get 2 and a half
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:52 pm to Dale Murphy
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Looks to me like they just don't have a lot to work with. I enjoyed Red Skull and Loki but was very disappointed in Ultron.
Yeah, the false advertising with Ultron just pissed me off to be honest.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:54 pm to Dale Murphy
Captain America, Nick Fury, Winter Soldier, Black Widow
shite. Now that I think about it, the heros in these movies slaughter people. Countless henchmen die everywhere in these movies, but The villains very rarely kill anyone.
In "the winter soldier" nick Fury kills ateast 20 people, Captain America does as well. And that's just with their own hands. How many people you think we're on those helicarriers they annihilated
In the entire Ulton movie I think like 1 guy died from Ulton.
shite. Now that I think about it, the heros in these movies slaughter people. Countless henchmen die everywhere in these movies, but The villains very rarely kill anyone.
In "the winter soldier" nick Fury kills ateast 20 people, Captain America does as well. And that's just with their own hands. How many people you think we're on those helicarriers they annihilated
In the entire Ulton movie I think like 1 guy died from Ulton.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:00 pm to Breesus
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In the entire Ulton movie I think like 1 guy died from Ulton.
Well, Ultron does murder everyone in the lab, in which I had to think "Oh, there he is, now take this out on the city at large". Instead he just keeps it there.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:05 pm to Dale Murphy
It's hard to become invested in villains when they are damn near invincible and the only villains that the marvel guys can fight have to be that way.... That's why batman villains do so well they are normal people that can be related to
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:05 pm to OMLandshark
That's less people than steel bird man
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:08 pm to Dale Murphy
I can't believe a spidy villain isn't on the list outside of kingpin.... Venom, carnage, doc ock???
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:09 pm to LetGeauxMyEggo
quote:
It's hard to become invested in villains when they are damn near invincible and the only villains that the marvel guys can fight have to be that way....
we'll see what happens with Thor Ragnarok. This big ol baw Sutur might be the villian
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:11 pm to Dale Murphy
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Doctor Doom
The continued rape of one of the greatest villains of all time during the awesome comic book movie Renaissance the last decade is criminal.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:13 pm to Dale Murphy
Someone could reboot the X-Men correctly - do things like the Brood series (frick it, do it on Earth, a la Predator) - OR the Dark Phoenix saga (AGAIN - correctly this time, not the abortion we got). Mastermind - (if cast, written and directed properly, of course) - could be an excellent 2 or 3 picture villain.
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:15 pm to LetGeauxMyEggo
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I can't believe a spidy villain isn't on the list outside of kingpin.... Venom, carnage, doc ock???
I don't think any of those are Top 10 worthy. Only of Spidey's villains I'd think that could make it is the Green Goblin.
Edit: But Catwoman sure as hell shouldn't be in the Top 10. I'd take her off the list and put Ultron on it.
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:15 pm to Fun Bunch
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Kilgrave is the best villain Marvel has put on screen so far.
I put Kingpin at second.
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:18 pm to OMLandshark
U think cat women is a better villain than any of those three I just named?
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:19 pm to LetGeauxMyEggo
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U think cat women is a better villain than any of those three I just named?
I edited. No I don't, but I'd put Ultron in that spot, not any of the ones you named. But I agree all 3 are superior.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:21 pm to Dale Murphy
Grant Douglas Ward/The Hive is the best Marvel Cinematic villain nobody has ever heard of.
Kilgrave and Fisk were cool until their Beta side came through in the second half of their seasons.
Kilgrave and Fisk were cool until their Beta side came through in the second half of their seasons.
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:21 pm to OMLandshark
agreed I'm just a spidy fan who wants to see carnage on the big screen
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:22 pm to Dale Murphy
I still don't think it's an excuse for them being so forgettable, though. I'm not expecting Marvel to create a villain on par with the Joker in TDK. I just would like to remember the villain's basic evil plot even a few days after seeing the film.
Malekith, Ronan, etc were all so uninspiring.
Malekith, Ronan, etc were all so uninspiring.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:31 pm to jackwoods4
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Malekith, Ronan, etc were all so uninspiring
Ronan I think really pays off at the end though. If he was anything besides a two dimensional monster, I don't think the "dance-off" scene would have worked as well. His crowning moment of triumph, and it's all shat upon by Star Lord. I'll forgive Ronan for that.
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