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re: Combine Thread

Posted on 5/17/16 at 4:00 pm to
Posted by ShamelessPel
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Posted on 5/17/16 at 4:00 pm to
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At 22? Plenty. We talk about a guys peak being at 25-28. But given measurables of each, their ultimate ceilings seem to be about the same, though slightly different final forms. The best case projection I have seen for Murray is a mid to later career Chauncy Billups clone after he lost some athleticism. The and McCollum with maybe less passing. The best for Hield is a more team orientated, better character, poorer mans Harden. I.E.Both borderline to possible allstar players with second best player potential.

What you say about trajectory of development seems to be where a lot of people justify youth over experience/proven growth. "If X player develops on the same trajectory..." Well considering Hield is kind of an outlier in both his growth as a player and insane work ethic, how likely is it to assume Murray will have that sort of trajectory? Given past history, why would ANYONE think Hield is done developing at 22?

Not the same situation as I like Murray much more but it is also why some justified Rivers over Lillard. Anthony Bennet, Burke and McLemore over a 4 year guy like McCollum who people assumed had nearly maxed out. Potential is intoxicating. For me potential in non-freak specimens is a bit more dangerous and Murray is not exactly a freak prospect. When it comes to those average measurables guys, I begin to put a lot more value into proven growth and work ethic.

I say all this but want to finish by saying I personally think Murray and Hield will be solid pros at worst. Dunn, if he can stay healthy and find the right team, will as well.


This is a killer post. Eye test I'd add as well. Hield looked like the best player on the floor when you watched him play. Murray just didn't jump out in any phase of the game for me.
Posted by NOLA Bronco
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 5/17/16 at 4:18 pm to
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This is a killer post. Eye test I'd add as well. Hield looked like the best player on the floor when you watched him play. Murray just didn't jump out in any phase of the game for me.


I did think he looked pretty great toward the last part of the season. Enough to keep me optimistic if we took him.

But it is hard to know what to take from him. A lot of his hype is centered around him developing into a more full time PG/Combo guard. But what if he veers more into the SG territory? I wouldn't be as hot on him going that route but its also the route he is currently on.

He is someone I really would of loved to see one more year at Kentucky after Ullis left and he would be forced into a more facilitator orientated role and to see how he did/ how he tried to develop as a player.
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