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Kiper Big Board for 2017
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:46 am
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:46 am
Mel Kiper has Fournette 3rd overall and Jamal Adams 5th overall. Not an Insider, so can't see rest.
My apologies...it is his Big Board.
My apologies...it is his Big Board.
This post was edited on 5/11/16 at 11:40 am
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:49 am to Sandtrap
Mock Draft for 2017 Board.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:51 am to TDcline
Adams at 5 as well.
I don't see a S going that high.
White a CB with a solid year goes before Adams
I don't see a S going that high.
White a CB with a solid year goes before Adams
Posted on 5/11/16 at 11:07 am to Sandtrap
Pretty sure that's his Big Board and not a mock draft. Also has Tim Williams as the #2 player overall.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 11:09 am to nicholastiger
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Adams at 5 as well.
I don't see a S going that high.
Agreed.
Really like Adams and his talent, but its rare for a Safety to go top 15 in the draft. It's 1 of those weird positions that isn't valued as much as other spots in the NFL. Since 2000, only 8 safeties have gone in the top 15. And there have been 5 drafts where no safety was taken in round 1 since 2000 as well. Just a weird position in the draft. Adams will def be a top safety when he declares though.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 11:12 am to Sandtrap
Not a mock draft! It's his big board of top players!
Posted on 5/11/16 at 11:18 am to Sandtrap
Also has Neal, white, dupre, and Pocic going first round. Has Beckwith and Godchaux projected early 2nd late 1st, and Dural mid 2nd, so this will be an exciting year.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 11:20 am to TooDumbToFail
I have Insider, those were the only LSU players in their list of 25.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 11:24 am to Tigerbait8
All the more reason that we will go 15-0 this fall.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 12:08 pm to TigerAlum93
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All the more reason that we will go 15-0 this fall.
If done, some people will still bash Les Miles
Posted on 5/11/16 at 12:23 pm to KG5989
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Really like Adams and his talent, but its rare for a Safety to go top 15 in the draft. It's 1 of those weird positions that isn't valued as much as other spots in the NFL. Since 2000, only 8 safeties have gone in the top 15. And there have been 5 drafts where no safety was taken in round 1 since 2000 as well. Just a weird position in the draft. Adams will def be a top safety when he declares though.
Safeties are pretty highly valued today, not as much as cover corners, but they are valued more than they were 10 years ago. With the NFL moving to more of a passing league, all defensive backs are highly valued. There were two safeties drafted in the top 17 this past year. Now I'm not saying Jamal Adams will go top 5 but if he has a good year and doesn't get injured, he will be a top 15 pick
Posted on 5/11/16 at 12:32 pm to nicholastiger
Jalen Ramsey a cornerback/safety just went 5 overall to the Jaguars.... I could see Adams going that high
Posted on 5/11/16 at 12:46 pm to Sandtrap
1. *Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M Aggies
The value of guys who can apply consistent pressure in a pass-happy league has never been higher -- did you catch the Super Bowl? -- and Garrett is that long edge monster all teams covet. He has 24 sacks and 33.5 tackles for loss in two seasons.
2. Tim Williams, OLB, Alabama Crimson Tide
On a per-snap basis, Williams is as disruptive as any player in America, and I think he would have easily been a first-rounder in the 2016 draft. The question is whether he can be as dominant when he's playing more snaps.
3. *Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU Tigers
Big, bruising, fast ... but let's keep an eye on the mileage. Fournette is a dynamic talent, that rare running back who generates excitement for teams drafting in Round 1. But he carried 300 times last season and is at 487 carries in two years. Will LSU use him up?
4. *Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson Tigers
Had he been available for the 2016 draft, Watson could have challenged Jared Goff to be the first quarterback taken. Sure, he's a gifted mover (1,105 rushing yards in 2015), but Watson is a very good passer; he can drive it down the field and displays consistent accuracy and touch.
5. *Jamal Adams, S, LSU Tigers
I had his dad, George, in the 1985 draft guide, and Jamal might be even better. He was the top safety in the country as a high school senior and has continued to dominate at LSU. He plays with tenacity and aggressiveness. He can cover, attack the line and has good ball skills.
6. *Malik McDowell, DT, Michigan State Spartans
A versatile, highly athletic interior defender who can be moved anywhere along the line, McDowell has length and strength. And he was disruptive last season, piling up 13.0 tackles for loss. Sparty lost a lot of talent on the defensive line to the 2016 draft, so McDowell faces a lot of pressure.
7. *Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama Crimson Tide
With 29 mostly dominant starts in just two years at Alabama, Robinson is already a known commodity around the NFL. The 6-foot-6, 327-pound left tackle is pretty close to the range of "prototype" at the position and will be a top-10 pick with another solid season.
8. *Jalen Tabor, CB, Florida Gators
You can make the case that it was Tabor who was the most consistently effective Florida cornerback last season -- and Vernon Hargreaves III went No. 11 overall. Tabor has good size and soft hands for the position, and he has been a playmaker on defense.
9. **Jabrill Peppers, S/LB, Michigan Wolverines
There isn't much Peppers can't do on the football field, as he was dynamic on defense and in the return game; he also put in time on offense last season. This year, he'll be something of a hybrid as a guy with safety size and speed lining up in the box. Expect to be impressed.
10. *Roderick Johnson, OT, Florida State Seminoles
The 6-foot-7 Johnson has been dominant as a left tackle since the Noles coaches moved him there halfway through his freshman season. He was superb as a true sophomore and is another good season away from a possible top-10 draft slot.
11. *Adoree' Jackson, CB, USC Trojans
An absolute burner who can affect the game as a cornerback, wide receiver or return man, his NFL future is at cornerback. Jackson lacks elite size for the position but is an exceptional athlete. He'll attempt to qualify for the Rio de Janeiro Olympics in the long jump.
12. Jonathan Allen, DE, Alabama Crimson Tide
It was the 6-foot-3, 280-plus-pounder who led the Crimson Tide in sacks (12) and tackles for loss (14.5) last season. How good could those totals be when he sees more time after some draft departures? We'll see.
13. *Brad Kaaya, QB, Miami Hurricanes
Another player certain to be dissected based on the mountain of tape he has already piled up -- having thrown almost 800 passes, when many juniors are about to start for the first time -- Kaaya is a talented quarterback with a big arm, touch and growing poise as he reads the whole field. He continues to get better.
14. *Charles Harris, DE, Missouri Tigers
You also could make a case for Harris as the most disruptive defender in the SEC last year. He led the conference with 18.5 tackles for loss. Expect to see him become a hot name on prospect boards in the fall.
15. Jourdan Lewis, CB, Michigan Wolverines
Lewis could have factored into first-round talk had he jumped into the 2016 draft class, but he'll return and give Michigan two of the top NFL prospects in the country on one side of the ball. Lewis can really cover, but size will be the question mark. Can he stay outside in the NFL?
16. *Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee Volunteers
After he set the record for the most sacks (10.0) by a Vols true freshman in team history, Barnett came back and got 10 more in 2016. He has above average quickness and plenty of power as a pass-rusher.
17. *JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, USC Trojans
A prolific producer over two years at USC (143 catches) with a coveted combination of size and speed, Smith-Schuster isn't shy when it comes to delivering a blow or playing through contact. He is a fiery competitor. You'll get some Dez Bryant comparisons here.
18. *Raekwon McMillan, ILB, Ohio State Buckeyes
The Buckeyes didn't lose all of their defensive talent in the 2016 draft. McMillan was quietly one of the best players and leaders on the 2015 unit, after seeing plenty of action as a true freshman. He is excellent in pursuit and doesn't miss tackles.
19. DeMarcus Walker, DE, Florida State Seminoles
At 6-foot-3 and 273 pounds, Walker has the frame you look for on the edge in a 4-3 base. He broke out as a pass-rusher last year, with 10.5 sacks and 15.5 tackles for loss. Another leap this season could lock him into the first-round mix.
20. *Sidney Jones, CB, Washington Huskies
Something of a hidden gem as an emerging prospect, Jones broke up a ton of passes last season and picked off four passes. He's consistently making great reads, and his hard work off the field has paid off.
21. Jarrad Davis, OLB, Florida Gators
Not an edge outside linebacker, Davis is a guy who can make plays all over the field, dropping into coverage and attacking the backfield. He's probably not much more than 230 pounds, but the range makes up for any size concerns.
22. *Carl Lawson, DE, Auburn Tigers
This is a big season for Lawson, who was working his way back from injury in 2015. The pass-rush potential is there, but so far, he's better at pushing with power and controlling the blocker.
23. *Marquis Haynes, OLB, Ole Miss Rebels
He can get to the passer, but the question is whether he can add some size to that 6-foot-3 frame so that he can hold up better against blockers when he's not winning with quickness. With 17.5 sacks in his first two seasons, the guy can cause problems.
24. Deatrich Wise Jr., DE, Arkansas Razorbacks
He has impressive size and length at 6-foot-5 and about 280 pounds. Things really started to click for Wise as a pass-rusher last season, as he piled up 8.0 sacks in conference play.
25. *Nick Chubb, RB, Georgia Bulldogs
Health and mileage are concerns, as Chubb was lost to a knee injury last season after getting 219 carries as a freshman. But assuming he's able-bodied, Chubb is a great combination of size, speed and vision. Here's hoping he's at 100 percent.
Others considered: Tyrell Crosby (OT, Oregon); Tyquan Lewis (DE, Ohio State); Tre'Davious White (CB, LSU); Jake Butt (TE, Michigan): O.J. Howard (TE, Alabama)
The value of guys who can apply consistent pressure in a pass-happy league has never been higher -- did you catch the Super Bowl? -- and Garrett is that long edge monster all teams covet. He has 24 sacks and 33.5 tackles for loss in two seasons.
2. Tim Williams, OLB, Alabama Crimson Tide
On a per-snap basis, Williams is as disruptive as any player in America, and I think he would have easily been a first-rounder in the 2016 draft. The question is whether he can be as dominant when he's playing more snaps.
3. *Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU Tigers
Big, bruising, fast ... but let's keep an eye on the mileage. Fournette is a dynamic talent, that rare running back who generates excitement for teams drafting in Round 1. But he carried 300 times last season and is at 487 carries in two years. Will LSU use him up?
4. *Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson Tigers
Had he been available for the 2016 draft, Watson could have challenged Jared Goff to be the first quarterback taken. Sure, he's a gifted mover (1,105 rushing yards in 2015), but Watson is a very good passer; he can drive it down the field and displays consistent accuracy and touch.
5. *Jamal Adams, S, LSU Tigers
I had his dad, George, in the 1985 draft guide, and Jamal might be even better. He was the top safety in the country as a high school senior and has continued to dominate at LSU. He plays with tenacity and aggressiveness. He can cover, attack the line and has good ball skills.
6. *Malik McDowell, DT, Michigan State Spartans
A versatile, highly athletic interior defender who can be moved anywhere along the line, McDowell has length and strength. And he was disruptive last season, piling up 13.0 tackles for loss. Sparty lost a lot of talent on the defensive line to the 2016 draft, so McDowell faces a lot of pressure.
7. *Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama Crimson Tide
With 29 mostly dominant starts in just two years at Alabama, Robinson is already a known commodity around the NFL. The 6-foot-6, 327-pound left tackle is pretty close to the range of "prototype" at the position and will be a top-10 pick with another solid season.
8. *Jalen Tabor, CB, Florida Gators
You can make the case that it was Tabor who was the most consistently effective Florida cornerback last season -- and Vernon Hargreaves III went No. 11 overall. Tabor has good size and soft hands for the position, and he has been a playmaker on defense.
9. **Jabrill Peppers, S/LB, Michigan Wolverines
There isn't much Peppers can't do on the football field, as he was dynamic on defense and in the return game; he also put in time on offense last season. This year, he'll be something of a hybrid as a guy with safety size and speed lining up in the box. Expect to be impressed.
10. *Roderick Johnson, OT, Florida State Seminoles
The 6-foot-7 Johnson has been dominant as a left tackle since the Noles coaches moved him there halfway through his freshman season. He was superb as a true sophomore and is another good season away from a possible top-10 draft slot.
11. *Adoree' Jackson, CB, USC Trojans
An absolute burner who can affect the game as a cornerback, wide receiver or return man, his NFL future is at cornerback. Jackson lacks elite size for the position but is an exceptional athlete. He'll attempt to qualify for the Rio de Janeiro Olympics in the long jump.
12. Jonathan Allen, DE, Alabama Crimson Tide
It was the 6-foot-3, 280-plus-pounder who led the Crimson Tide in sacks (12) and tackles for loss (14.5) last season. How good could those totals be when he sees more time after some draft departures? We'll see.
13. *Brad Kaaya, QB, Miami Hurricanes
Another player certain to be dissected based on the mountain of tape he has already piled up -- having thrown almost 800 passes, when many juniors are about to start for the first time -- Kaaya is a talented quarterback with a big arm, touch and growing poise as he reads the whole field. He continues to get better.
14. *Charles Harris, DE, Missouri Tigers
You also could make a case for Harris as the most disruptive defender in the SEC last year. He led the conference with 18.5 tackles for loss. Expect to see him become a hot name on prospect boards in the fall.
15. Jourdan Lewis, CB, Michigan Wolverines
Lewis could have factored into first-round talk had he jumped into the 2016 draft class, but he'll return and give Michigan two of the top NFL prospects in the country on one side of the ball. Lewis can really cover, but size will be the question mark. Can he stay outside in the NFL?
16. *Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee Volunteers
After he set the record for the most sacks (10.0) by a Vols true freshman in team history, Barnett came back and got 10 more in 2016. He has above average quickness and plenty of power as a pass-rusher.
17. *JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, USC Trojans
A prolific producer over two years at USC (143 catches) with a coveted combination of size and speed, Smith-Schuster isn't shy when it comes to delivering a blow or playing through contact. He is a fiery competitor. You'll get some Dez Bryant comparisons here.
18. *Raekwon McMillan, ILB, Ohio State Buckeyes
The Buckeyes didn't lose all of their defensive talent in the 2016 draft. McMillan was quietly one of the best players and leaders on the 2015 unit, after seeing plenty of action as a true freshman. He is excellent in pursuit and doesn't miss tackles.
19. DeMarcus Walker, DE, Florida State Seminoles
At 6-foot-3 and 273 pounds, Walker has the frame you look for on the edge in a 4-3 base. He broke out as a pass-rusher last year, with 10.5 sacks and 15.5 tackles for loss. Another leap this season could lock him into the first-round mix.
20. *Sidney Jones, CB, Washington Huskies
Something of a hidden gem as an emerging prospect, Jones broke up a ton of passes last season and picked off four passes. He's consistently making great reads, and his hard work off the field has paid off.
21. Jarrad Davis, OLB, Florida Gators
Not an edge outside linebacker, Davis is a guy who can make plays all over the field, dropping into coverage and attacking the backfield. He's probably not much more than 230 pounds, but the range makes up for any size concerns.
22. *Carl Lawson, DE, Auburn Tigers
This is a big season for Lawson, who was working his way back from injury in 2015. The pass-rush potential is there, but so far, he's better at pushing with power and controlling the blocker.
23. *Marquis Haynes, OLB, Ole Miss Rebels
He can get to the passer, but the question is whether he can add some size to that 6-foot-3 frame so that he can hold up better against blockers when he's not winning with quickness. With 17.5 sacks in his first two seasons, the guy can cause problems.
24. Deatrich Wise Jr., DE, Arkansas Razorbacks
He has impressive size and length at 6-foot-5 and about 280 pounds. Things really started to click for Wise as a pass-rusher last season, as he piled up 8.0 sacks in conference play.
25. *Nick Chubb, RB, Georgia Bulldogs
Health and mileage are concerns, as Chubb was lost to a knee injury last season after getting 219 carries as a freshman. But assuming he's able-bodied, Chubb is a great combination of size, speed and vision. Here's hoping he's at 100 percent.
Others considered: Tyrell Crosby (OT, Oregon); Tyquan Lewis (DE, Ohio State); Tre'Davious White (CB, LSU); Jake Butt (TE, Michigan): O.J. Howard (TE, Alabama)
This post was edited on 5/11/16 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 5/11/16 at 1:41 pm to CaliTigerHB
Like I said, Adams will be one of the top safeties, if not the top, when he declares. And he will be a 1st round pick.
And sure, the NFL values safeties. But just not in the early part of the 1st round. Adding Karl Joseph to the list, that's just 9 safeties taken with a top 15 pick in the draft since the 2000 draft. And just 22 safeties were taken in round 1 since 2000 as well. So since 2000, an average of 1.3 safeties were selected in the first round of each draft.
That's not a lot, especially comparing to the "high valued" positions like QB, WR, OT, DL, Edge player / OLB, and CBs. They are the positions that tend to come off the board early. It's not right or wrong, it's just the way it is.
And sure, the NFL values safeties. But just not in the early part of the 1st round. Adding Karl Joseph to the list, that's just 9 safeties taken with a top 15 pick in the draft since the 2000 draft. And just 22 safeties were taken in round 1 since 2000 as well. So since 2000, an average of 1.3 safeties were selected in the first round of each draft.
That's not a lot, especially comparing to the "high valued" positions like QB, WR, OT, DL, Edge player / OLB, and CBs. They are the positions that tend to come off the board early. It's not right or wrong, it's just the way it is.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 1:56 pm to Brunedog
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Jalen Ramsey a cornerback/safety just went 5 overall to the Jaguars.... I could see Adams going that high
Ramsey went that high because hes an elite CB prospect and will be playing CB in the NFL. And Ramsey was considered arguably the best player overall in the draft and was a rare prospect. I love Adams and know he will do great in the NFL, but a prospect like Ramsey doesn't come along that often.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 2:05 pm to KG5989
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Ramsey went that high because hes an elite CB prospect and will be playing CB in the NFL. And Ramsey was considered arguably the best player overall in the draft and was a rare prospect. I love Adams and know he will do great in the NFL, but a prospect like Ramsey doesn't come along that often.
Ramsey is pretty much a Patrick Peterson clone
Posted on 5/11/16 at 3:30 pm to CaliTigerHB
I would not go as far to say he is a Patrick Peterson clone. His athletic ability is not even close to Patrick Peterson and his true cover skills are a little behind as well. His numbers does not match with Patrick Peterson. Ramsey is a great player though.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 3:43 pm to grape nutz
Jeez.....14 out of the 25 are from the SEC. Always amazes me to see how talented this league is year in year out..
Posted on 5/11/16 at 4:20 pm to Tigerbait8
I think Neal playing end will hurt him. Maybe he makes a push at the combine pocic out of position could hurt him also. I think those 2 plus Adams fournette(of course) and dupre are legit first round talents. The other guys are probly fringe types but could also up their stock at the combine.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 5:19 pm to Madking
I think Adams will be a Top 10 pick. Laron Landry and Michael Huff went in the Top 10. I think Adams is a better all around Safety than Landry was coming out.
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