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re: IMO Brandon Harris isn't bad
Posted on 3/7/16 at 8:11 am to Magazine St
Posted on 3/7/16 at 8:11 am to Magazine St
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With that said, Harris's play was subpar in those games. Be it injury or not.
Does it really seem like I am saying anything more than that?
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 8:27 am to TigerBait1127
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This wasn't your argument. I don't need you to concede the argument to me. The objective facts already did that.
Yes it was you tard. My quote:
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Prove it. Seriously, I want to know what makes you think that our QB play put us in any better position to win in 2015 than 2014.
It was literally what I wrote to you, but you were so happy to tell someone that 2 > 1that you failed to comprehend it. You don't think I know he threw for more yards? He played in more games. He crossed the 50% completion mark? I must have missed the parade. Do you even know the inputs to QB efficiency that you posted? I didn't think so. Can you tell me how any of this helped us to win more games? I'm still waiting.
It is laughable that you think you have proven a point here. Let's just pretend that I did have those stats at my disposal, just not the entire game log for every LSU QB ever in one pivotable table.
I guess I can't be surprised that someone with drew Brees as their avatar would inflate the importance of individual stats.
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 9:04 am
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:01 am to SofaKingTrill
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LSU was down 21-0 to Arkansas and 24-0 to Ole miss which led to a large amount of pass attempts.
By the time those scores were on the board:
Arkansas: LSU dropped back to pass 10 of the first 23 plays, including 3 sacks, 2 timeouts, and not including 2 rushes. So he either attempted a rush or a pass in 12/23 plays to start the game. Fournette had 46 yards rushing at this point. Further, 5/6 plays to begin the game were drop backs. Harris also fumbled the ball inside the LSU 20 which lead to the 3rd arky TD.
Ole Miss: Started game with an incomplete pass after a first down, and delay of game on 3rd and 6. Next drive, we turn the ball over trying to convert 3rd and 2 on a rush. Next drive, same thing but 3rd and 3. We are down 10-0 at this point. Long drive by OM, 17-0. Next drive, interception inside LSU 20, and the game is over. We were down by 14 with 7:30 left in the third. That is plenty of time to win the game. It was the Harris show from there on out, and we didn't score again.
Please don't mistake what I am saying. I am not trying to dog on Harris, I really like him and think he has a lot of potential. I am simply saying that he was certainly not shut down in either of those games, and was given a legitimate opportunity to win each game for us.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:11 am to OceanMan
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It was literally what I wrote to you,
No, this was literally your argument:
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Harris was awful last year, no better than Jennings the year before him
Which does not equal:
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He wasn't good. Neither was Jennings.
Harris didn't have to be good to be better than Jennings. Jennings struggled to hit 100 yards and 50% way too often. Can you not comprehend the difference?
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It is laughable that you think you have proven a point here.
Once again:
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This argument is absolutely ridiculous; you, and anyone that agrees with you, has no clue how to objectively evaluate anything, and should refrain from doing so at the expense of losing further credibility.
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I guess I can't be surprised that someone with drew Brees as their avatar would inflate the importance of individual stats.
Damn those objective facts.
Yep, Drew Brees is an awful QB. Seriously, you're going to come after a World Champion, 1st ballot HoF QB now. Or is Drew Brees responsible for epically terrible defenses caused by terrible drafting and bad FA signings? Keep reaching.
This hurts your argument if anything.
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Can you tell me how any of this helped us to win more games? I'm still waiting.
The good old wins argument in a team sport. Are Harris and Jennings responsible for the defense?
Tee Martin > Peyton Manning
Manning this year > Manning in the past?
Dilfer > Marino
What games do you think we win with Jennings that we lost? Do you think we beat Florida?
Or do you think we beat teams like Ole Miss because of Jennings, or because of a dominant defensive performance where we held them to 7 points? Or was it Anthony Jennings going 8 for 26 for 76 yards against Bama that kept us in the game?
You're embarrassing yourself.
Since you are the one who made the original claim. PROVE that Jennings is objectively equal to Harris. You're a hypocrite.
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 9:34 am
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:46 am to dgnx6
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Exactly, Harris threw it 86 times in the next 2 losses. I wouldn't call that holding him back.
We also ran a read option against Arky several times but he wasn't able to keep it. Arkansas was getting burned on QB runs all season.
He was a different QB before and after Bama. He looked pretty damn good prior to that.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:54 am to Dire Wolf
Sports heria injury is no joke. I am surprised he played at all enduring that pain. I respect him for his toughness and he looked much crisper in bowl game with 30 days rest. Expect him to become more balanced this year and look for check downs to LF7 and Guice to shore up short passing game.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 10:06 am to LSUNV
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Ever since Mett, it has been the same old song and dance, next year will be his year. Maybe we should develop a QB instead of wasting another year
Why does this statement get downvoted 4 times? I swear our fanbase is delusional sometimes when it comes to facing reality.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 10:07 am to idlewatcher
Because he's only been the stater for 1 season....
Mett was a Senior QB too, Harris was a true Soph
Mett was a Senior QB too, Harris was a true Soph
Posted on 3/7/16 at 10:12 am to GA Tiger
It was a good call by cam and we need to see more of that, just a poor throw. He's going to improve on those throws and it's going to help a ton
Posted on 3/7/16 at 10:18 am to idlewatcher
I guess some people are better than others at ignoring the obvious 
Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:51 am to Dire Wolf
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He was a different QB before and after Bama. He looked pretty damn good prior to that.
He played against some really bad teams prior to Bama.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:56 am to LSUDestin
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Sports heria injury is no joke. I am surprised he played at all enduring that pain. I respect him for his toughness and he looked much crisper in bowl game with 30 days rest. Expect him to become more balanced this year and look for check downs to LF7 and Guice to shore up short passing game.
BH6 is going to have a GREAT year! I agree, we cannot have 90% of our throws go to Dupre/Dural downfield, throw the screens to LF and Guice, and work the short/intermiate/middle with Big Desean Smith split out in the slot.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 1:01 pm to TigerBait1127
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Because he's only been the stater for 1 season
and there it is again...
Posted on 3/7/16 at 1:07 pm to atltiger6487
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and there it is again...
There what is again?
How can it be again for Harris? That's the entire point that flew over your head, again. He wasn't even the starter after Mett left or even on campus. It was Jennings.
So you're suggesting we should just give up on Harris and go to the next guy? Or can players actually improve after having a year of playing experience under their belt?
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 3/7/16 at 1:30 pm to TigerBait1127
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So you're suggesting we should just give up on Harris and go to the next guy? Or can players actually improve after having a year of playing experience under their belt?
I'm not suggesting anything of the sort. I was merely complaining about the "youth" excuse being trotted out again. As if young and/or inexperienced QBs can't be extremely productive.
Of course players can improve with more experience. But it's how much improvement we can realistically expect from Harris. He had already been in Cam's system a full year-and-a-half prior to last season. Next fall it will be 2.5 years with a full year of starting under his belt. Usually when players have "it," we see it pretty quickly. Not always, but more often than not.
If he doesn't play well next year, what will be the excuse then? In other words, at what point does the "youth" excuse end?
Posted on 3/7/16 at 2:16 pm to atltiger6487
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'm not suggesting anything of the sort.
Well then you misunderstood the context of the post.
I didn't use his youth as an excuse.
How can it be used for Harris again when he's only had 1 year as a starter under his belt?
When was the first time it was used? During his limited play as a true freshman?
The post I responded to absolutely suggested we should move on from Harris and acted like it's been all Harris since Mett, which isn't true.
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In other words, at what point does the "youth" excuse end?
One year of starting experience seems like a good place to build on. Mett greatly improved after it, JR greatly improved after it, Mett greatly improved after it. Plenty of QBs have shown that growth.
And Harris wasn't playing poorly until the injury. We have no idea how much that impacted him. It's a painful and serious injury for an athlete.
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 3/7/16 at 2:25 pm to TigerBait1127
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One year of starting experience seems like a good place to build on. Mett greatly improved after it...
And Harris wasn't playing poorly until the injury.
Mett improved primarily due to getting out from under Studrawa's awful offense and moving under Cam (and having two stud NFL receivers and an NFL running back).
And I was waiting for the "injury" excuse... and you didn't disappoint.
Can't wait for what's next (hint: I'm predicting it will be "offensive complexity").
Posted on 3/7/16 at 2:29 pm to atltiger6487
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And I was waiting for the "injury" excuse... and you didn't disappoint.
Was he not injured?
I see you ignored the rest of it.
Guess it was too hard to comprehend. Keep trying to create arguments that aren't there. Might be able to win one some day
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Mett improved primarily due to getting out from under Studrawa's awful offense and moving under Cam (and having two stud NFL receivers and an NFL running back).
Sounds like an excuse to me
Could have sworn Jarvis and ODB were on the team the year before, along with Hill....
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 3/7/16 at 2:36 pm to TigerBait1127
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This doesn't make any sense
Good Lord you are an idiot! It makes perfect sense for people that can comprehend
Posted on 3/7/16 at 2:40 pm to LSUNV
Let's break it down
2 seasons
He's been the starter for 1 season. So this has been the song and dance for 1 season?
What QB would you like to play instead?
We're trying to develop Harris. The book is not closed yet.
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Ever since Mett,
2 seasons
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It has been the same old song and dance, next year will be his year
He's been the starter for 1 season. So this has been the song and dance for 1 season?
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Maybe we should develop a QB instead of wasting another year
What QB would you like to play instead?
We're trying to develop Harris. The book is not closed yet.
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