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re: Oil stocks...are you buying?
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:05 pm to Omada
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:05 pm to Omada
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What was essentially said was that OPEC would make production cuts if the rest of the world agreed to do the same, IIRC.
Right, it's purely speculative at this point, but the rumors have been renewed again as of today I believe. But yes, same bs IMO.
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Even if that were to ever happen, either the overleveraged US shale producers or OPEC would screw everybody else.
Agreed. But, when the cash runs out - and it will, things will reverse.
OPEC isn't the problem anyway, it's the shale players. They increased the supply drastically and thought demand would never drop. Kind of like the home builders/land developers during the housing bubble. If you build it they will come.... Well, they stopped eventually, a lot of people went bankrupt and assets were bought for pennies on the dollar.
So, same is going to happen here IMO. In the end I think shale production will be controlled by fewer larger players which will allow for the supply to be controlled more effectively - since their basis for operation will be much less.
That's my very amateur prediction anyway.
As far as a bottom, I called for $30 a long time ago, and think we are close to seeing a bottom. That doesn't mean it's going to go up necessarily.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:18 pm to TigerDeBaiter
What I'm looking for/expecting is that oil will drop below $25 long enough for the overleveraged shale producers to go bankrupt and for most/all of the survivors to cut capex. (Maybe one/some of the weaker OPEC countries default/face rebellion/civil war, etc, but it's not necessary.) This will cut supply in the short and long term, and prices will rise as stored oil is consumed. Capex eventually starts to pick back up, but the amount of time it takes to get production and wells up and running or back online, demand will suprise supply, and we will be back in an oil bull market.
At least, that is how I have interpreted what happened in previous oil busts. Oil never seems to find true equilibrium; capital and time necessities lead to delayed responses on the supply side, resulting in such strong bull and bear markets. Though, to be fair, it seems that nearly every market operates in a similar fashion but under different time frames.
At least, that is how I have interpreted what happened in previous oil busts. Oil never seems to find true equilibrium; capital and time necessities lead to delayed responses on the supply side, resulting in such strong bull and bear markets. Though, to be fair, it seems that nearly every market operates in a similar fashion but under different time frames.
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