I agree Star Wars is the better stand alone film, but it's not the better film. The fact of the matter if you make "stand alone" the defining portion of it being the best film, then the second chapter is doomed every time. The point of the first film is to establish the universe, characters, and a moment of temporary closure. The second really should hardly have a beginning and end. It should just be drama with the characters and to build them up before the final confrontation. This is why often the second chapter is my favorite in many epics. It's difficult to pull off, but the films that do are simply magnificent. That's my opinion at least.

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Posted by lsufan9193969700

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Posted on 12/31/15 at 8:14 pm to OMLandshark

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agree Star Wars is the better stand alone film, but it's not the better film. The fact of the matter if you make "stand alone" the defining portion of it being the best film, then the second chapter is doomed every time. The point of the first film is to establish the universe, characters, and a moment of temporary closure. The second really should hardly have a beginning and end. It should just be drama with the characters and to build them up before the final confrontation. This is why often the second chapter is my favorite in many epics. It's difficult to pull off, but the films that do are simply magnificent. That's my opinion at least.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

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Posted by TheCurmudgeon

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Posted on 12/31/15 at 9:55 pm to OMLandshark

Star Wars EP IV: My daughter had a friend, a girl, who would come to the lake house a few times each summer. Early 20s, dancer, fit, would strut around in her bikini all day and it was just awesome. she was just incredible to look at.

Empire EP V: One day I tried to teach her to water ski. Her bikini top got torn loose in the prop wash and we all saw her virtually naked when she came out the water as her skis started to plane. Meh. Nothing special when her top came off. Kinda disappointing, actually.

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Posted by blueboy

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Posted on 12/31/15 at 10:01 pm to OMLandshark

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The fact of the matter if you make "stand alone" the defining portion of it being the best film

I don't. The dialog is a million times better, the cast is better with Guiness and the story is far more compelling, with a far more satisfying climax.

I can get "I am your father" from Days of Our Lives, and "laser brained nerf herder" while slightly funny, is pretty bad.