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re: Tamir Rice's (Dead KID!)Family Believe No Charges Coming for Two Officers
Posted on 12/28/15 at 7:46 am to DanTiger
Posted on 12/28/15 at 7:46 am to DanTiger
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hat is not actually how the call was dispatched to the cops. Have you read anything about this incident? They were simply told it was a gun. The pistol that rice was carrying also had the Orange tip removed to indicate that it was a toy.
Correct. The call the cops received did not say TOY gun, just gun.
ALL TRUTH MATTERS
Posted on 12/28/15 at 7:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
So the cops rolled up on him like that for no reason? No 911 calls of him pointing a gun at people?
Posted on 12/28/15 at 7:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
hey roger, if the kid threatened no one, then why were the cops called out there. don't be naive. cops were called for a reason.
in this one case the KID created a shitty situation. should he have been killed, of course not. Point is that when i was pulled over recently the cop asked me if i had a weapon in the car. my honest answer was, "Yes." He immediately put his hand on his weapon and asked me to get out of the car. Which i did slowly. after a few minutes of being really nervous, he called in my license information, I was released with no problems whatsoever.
I did not create a shitty situation. And everything worked out fine.
if we continue to make excuses for assholes, then assholes will continue to grow into bigger assholes.
in this one case the KID created a shitty situation. should he have been killed, of course not. Point is that when i was pulled over recently the cop asked me if i had a weapon in the car. my honest answer was, "Yes." He immediately put his hand on his weapon and asked me to get out of the car. Which i did slowly. after a few minutes of being really nervous, he called in my license information, I was released with no problems whatsoever.
I did not create a shitty situation. And everything worked out fine.
if we continue to make excuses for assholes, then assholes will continue to grow into bigger assholes.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 7:58 am to RogerTheShrubber
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It's 12 year old with a toy gun. He didn't threaten anyone.
Yeah c'mon Roger, it is disingenuous to act like a 5'7", 195 lb, 12-yr old is incapable of doing any harm. The gun looks incredibly real. At 12 yrs, 5 months old Rice is in the 97th percentile for both his height and weight - he is the average height of a 15+ yr old child and heavier than most that age.
Now, whether or not that justifies the shooting is not for me to decide, and I believe the threshold for an indictment is there already so this should go to court, but this kid wasn't a legitimate threat given the information the officer had is incorrect.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 7:59 am to LSUTANGERINE
It came out Tamir never reached for the gun, couldn't hear the cops commands because the window was up and the cop shot him like the kid in Chicago within 2 seconds of exiting the car. Murder. I'd hate for it to happen to a person on here so all the idiots can say the kid deserved it.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:00 am to Topwater Trout
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So the cops rolled up on him like that for no reason? No 911 calls of him pointing a gun at people?
This kid's attempt to live the thug life got him killed.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:02 am to UpToPar
I know some of yall won't have none of this, but just hear me out.
What if this kid saw these cops come and was planning on taking the toy gun out and lay it on the ground? Then declare it was a toy? I'm not saying this is what he did, but I can definitely see a kid thinking something like that.
Also how smart are the cops for pulling up right next to someone suspected of having a gun and pointing it at people?
What if this kid saw these cops come and was planning on taking the toy gun out and lay it on the ground? Then declare it was a toy? I'm not saying this is what he did, but I can definitely see a kid thinking something like that.
Also how smart are the cops for pulling up right next to someone suspected of having a gun and pointing it at people?
Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:06 am to TSLG
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That cop is a fricking idiot. It is what happens when you give a loser mother fricker a $35k a year job, a gun, and perceived power. A lot of our officers don't have enough sense to get out of the rain; those definitely don't need the amount of discretion that they're given.
All of this, which is why these cases are so hard to determine IMO. Whether people want to admit it or not, expecting every cop to act in a calm, controlled manner and exercise proper discretion in these events is like expecting every hourly staffer at your local Wal-Mart to have extensive product knowledge or expecting your local Taco Bell to get every order correct. Certainly there are exceptions to the rule, but the risks/rewards of being a cop tend to attract a more unstable and illogical subset of our population and these events will continue to happen until that is changed IMO.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:10 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Rice was killed by a cop who most likely should never have been there.
True. There were a ton of poor and uninformed decisions by everyone involved, including Rice, that led to the events that day. It is tragic that the boy died, but laying all of the fault at the feet of the shooting officer deflects from all of the problems that this situation exposed.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:14 am to PurpleandGold Motown
There has to be accountability on both sides. You can't point fake, toy guns at people. End of discussion. In today's climate, "innocent acts" and fooling around will get you killed by a civilian let alone a cop.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:17 am to tigerbutt
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Until you put your life on the line as a police officer, you likely will continue to sit back and take up for stupidity the rest of your life.
You're right - many of us don't know what it is like to be in the line of duty as an officer. However, if you don't know how you'll react in that kind of situation, perhaps you shouldn't be an officer of the law, no? If the tensions of your job cause you to make rash decisions that result in the shooting death of a kid, shouldn't you bear at least some of the blame?
There are plenty of people on this board who take up for stupidity on a regular basis, but there are others who tend to blindly justify the actions of officers because it is a "scary job." If you can routinely justify unnecessary shootings by stating how tough it is to be an officer, perhaps you (and police officers in general) should look in the mirror and question whether or not you really deserve to wield the power you've been granted.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:19 am to DawgGONIT
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Also how smart are the cops for pulling up right next to someone suspected of having a gun and pointing it at people?
If memory serves me correctly the cop driving was actually in training. It certainly was a mistake to pull up so close to the kid. The training officer in the passenger seat was left with no choice in this instance.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:21 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Really haven't heard anything that suggests Rice was threatening anyone.
Oh really?
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In a 9-1-1 call, a caller, who was sitting in a nearby gazebo, reported that someone, possibly a juvenile, was pointing "a pistol" at random people in the Cudell Recreation Center. The caller twice said that the gun was "probably fake," but was unable to identify if the weapon was real or not; the orange barrel markings used to identify toy weapons had been removed.[17] According to police spokesmen, it was initially unclear if that information was relayed to the dispatched officers, Loehmann and Garmback, and it was later revealed that the dispatcher did not elaborate beyond referencing "a gun."[12][18] According to one report, the 9-1-1 responder twice asked whether the boy was black or white[19] before dispatching officers to the park at around 3:30 p.m.[17] The actual recording of the phone call reveals that the 9-1-1 responder asked whether the boy was black or white three times; however, the question was repeated only after the caller continued describing the color of Rice's clothing.[20] The caller then left the gazebo, and Rice sat down in it sometime later.[18]
Notice it says pointing NOT brandishing.
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 8:23 am
Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:25 am to slackster
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You're right - many of us don't know what it is like to be in the line of duty as an officer. However, if you don't know how you'll react in that kind of situation, perhaps you shouldn't be an officer of the law, no? If the tensions of your job cause you to make rash decisions that result in the shooting death of a kid, shouldn't you bear at least some of the blame?
Nobody knows how they will react in a life and death situation until they are faced with one. People who have never seen combat or been in explosive encounters with armed individuals simply don't understand how quickly things happen. It isn't like the movies where you see the bad guy reaching for his gun in slow motion and you have time to draw and shoot him before he shoots you. It is simply a case of perception being far different from reality and it is not something you can understand until you have had it happen to you.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:25 am to slackster
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It is tragic that the boy died,
How tragic? For the family, sure, but for society it's probably a plus.
Kid was theatening people with a gun he specifically altered to look real.
Only a matter of time before he got a real one and put a bullet in someone that "disrespected" him. After making 3 or 4 babies with hoodrat mommas.
People are acting as if he was like this
Innocently frolicking through the park with a brightly colored pop gun.
It was more this
With this
Do normal kids go around harassing innocent passersby?
This kid wasn't playing war in the park with his friends.
This was practice for mugging in the future.
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 8:29 am
Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:27 am to MontyFranklyn
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There has to be accountability on both sides. You can't point fake, toy guns at people. End of discussion. In today's climate, "innocent acts" and fooling around will get you killed by a civilian let alone a cop.
Agreed. Being shot is not a traditional repercussion of brandishing a toy gun in public, but it is certainly a plausible response in some situations. However, even if the kid didn't understand the severity of the potential repercussions, I'm not convinced that we can lay all the blame on the officer when we have the benefit of hindsight in these situations. There is not doubt his death was a tragedy, and those saying he deserved it are fricking ridiculous.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:30 am to fr33manator
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How tragic? For the family, sure, but for society it's probably a plus.
We don't live in a society where we get to lawfully make that assumption - or at least we shouldn't live in such a society.
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Only a matter of time before he got a real one and put a bullet in someone that "disrespected" him. After making 3 or 4 babies with hoodrat mommas.
The equivalent argument would be to remove the driving privileges of all those who speed in excess of 10 MPH over the posted speed limit. It is only a matter of time before you're in an accident and you could take someone's life, so why wait?
Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:35 am to slackster
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We don't live in a society where we get to lawfully make that assumption - or at least we shouldn't live in such a society.
Yeah kind of like you shouldn't make an assumption without knowing all the facts about the case as well. I guess every cop needs to roll up on every 911 call and ask the suspected gunman if he has removed the orange tip or if his gun is real. More blame goes on stupid kid, then the 911 dispatcher and then the police. Plain and simple. Everyone made mistakes starting most importantly with the one who started it all. Tamir.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:39 am to slackster
You really think it's normal to threaten people in the park with a gun made to look real? You don't think this kid would have had a real gun if he had access to one?
Look, the police did an AWFUL job on this and the kids death could easily have been prevented. But some of you are acting like this was a young Neil Degrasse Tyson on the verge of discovering the key to dark matter. This was a future criminal, if statistical and objective evidence can be used.
It's the wrong person to paint as the example of your movement, just like Michael Brown. Another thug. Why do people want to make thugs the faces of their movement?
Look, the police did an AWFUL job on this and the kids death could easily have been prevented. But some of you are acting like this was a young Neil Degrasse Tyson on the verge of discovering the key to dark matter. This was a future criminal, if statistical and objective evidence can be used.
It's the wrong person to paint as the example of your movement, just like Michael Brown. Another thug. Why do people want to make thugs the faces of their movement?
Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:46 am to Ibleedblackandgold
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That was not a small child by any means. If the public is being threatened by an idiot with a toy gun that looks pretty damn real, Z
Except he was not threatening anyone with it.
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