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Patrick Towles
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:03 pm
Just looked into Towles a little.
His stats at Kentucky in 2014 are better than anything Harris or Jennings have ever put up.
2014: Passing: 2718, 14 tds/9 ints. Rushing: 303, 6 TDs.
He's 6-5 and can obviously move.
Apparently he already graduated and can play right away.
What says the recruiting board?
His stats at Kentucky in 2014 are better than anything Harris or Jennings have ever put up.
2014: Passing: 2718, 14 tds/9 ints. Rushing: 303, 6 TDs.
He's 6-5 and can obviously move.
Apparently he already graduated and can play right away.
What says the recruiting board?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:06 pm to BasilBogomil
I've always thought he was a decent QB, but I know alot of the UK guys disagree. I think he's similar to Harris in that alot of the tools are there, he just hasn't put it together yet.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:08 pm to BasilBogomil
At this point, I' d be fine with him. But in our offense, it would boil down to whether he can execute the toss dive. I wish I didn't feel that way.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:13 pm to BasilBogomil
He's a product of Kentucky's system.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:44 pm to BasilBogomil
I always thought he was pretty good
Posted on 12/2/15 at 8:07 pm to BasilBogomil
quote:
His stats at Kentucky in 2014 are better than anything Harris or Jennings have ever put up.
2014: Passing: 2718, 14 tds/9 ints. Rushing: 303, 6 TDs.
he is also a RS Junior this year. So he has twice the experience Harris has, and the only west teams he paltered were Miss St and Auburn
Posted on 12/2/15 at 8:20 pm to SammyTiger
He plays in the air raid system at KY, so his stats will be conflated. Apparently he had some serious accuracy issues this season. At LSU, he wouldn't be attempting as many passes with fournette in the backfield and he would need to be accurate when throwing. He also has not played under center, only from shotgun
Posted on 12/2/15 at 8:25 pm to PentagonTiger
Still worth a shot.
Right now, we have a two QB's with accuracy issues.
Maybe third time's the charm.
Right now, we have a two QB's with accuracy issues.
Maybe third time's the charm.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:27 pm to BasilBogomil
Air Raids offense bro.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:29 pm to BasilBogomil
Why ignore his 2015 stats?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:58 pm to saintsfan22
Air raid or not, this is at Kentucky with its inferior overall talent against SEC competition.
Best v. Best Comparison
But his 2015 is actually pretty comparable to Harris and Jennings:
Patrick Towles (2015): 2178, 9tds, 14ints. Rushing: 64 yrs, 5tds (11 Games)
Jennings: 1611, 12tds, 7ints Rushing: 292, 0tds
Harris: 1900, 12tds, 5ints Rushing: 185, 3tds (11 Games)
quote:
Why ignore his 2015 stats?
Best v. Best Comparison
But his 2015 is actually pretty comparable to Harris and Jennings:
Patrick Towles (2015): 2178, 9tds, 14ints. Rushing: 64 yrs, 5tds (11 Games)
Jennings: 1611, 12tds, 7ints Rushing: 292, 0tds
Harris: 1900, 12tds, 5ints Rushing: 185, 3tds (11 Games)
Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:30 am to BasilBogomil
Hell I say bring him in!!! But they won't....
Posted on 12/3/15 at 6:52 am to GeauxPack81
quote:
he just hasn't put it together yet.
he turns 22 next month. late bloomer eh?
Posted on 12/3/15 at 7:21 am to BasilBogomil
quote:
His stats at Kentucky in 2014 are better than anything Harris or Jennings have ever put up.
Patrick Towles Stats
Brandon Harris Stats
In three years of playing Towles has 24 tds and 24 ints. He has regressed a lot in 2015 throwing 9 tds and 14 ints. He has been sacked in his career a total of 65 times.
Harris has a td to int ratio of 18:7 and has been sacked 20 times.
In 2015 Towles threw the ball 326 times for 2148 yards.
Harris threw the ball 254 times for 1904 yards.
Why would we take a Redshirt JR qb that is no better than our sophomore?
This post was edited on 12/3/15 at 7:23 am
Posted on 12/3/15 at 8:49 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
quote:
Why would we take a Redshirt JR qb that is no better than our sophomore?
I just thought it was worth discussing. I think/hope Harris is the guy... BUT...
LSU needs options at QB. Towles has shown some ability, against SEC competition, surrounded by a relatively poor supporting cast (OL, WRs, RBs TEs).
I don't really think Towles is the answer for LSU, but, considering the QB play the last two seasons, I am willing to consider damn near anything.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:50 am to BasilBogomil
Basil,
When I compare QB stats I look at five things, four of which are ratios:
(1) QB Rating also called QB Efficiency [not to be confused ESPN'S QBR which is complete garbage],
(2) Completion percentage,
(3) Yards Per Attempt,
(4) TD to INT ratio, and
(5) year in college.
I don't look at gross stats like total passing yards or total TDs because factors such as injuries, offensive scheme, and win/loss record have too big an influence on gross numbers, and those non-QB talent factors can obscure proper analysis.
I didn't follow Towles this season, so I have no preconception on whether he's any good or not.
So let me take a look at him and compare him to Harris:
Brandon Harris 2015
(1) QB Rating: 127.77
(2) Comp%: 53.1%
(3) YPA: 7.5
(4) TD to INT ratio: 2.4
(5) True So.
Patrick Towles 2015
(1) QB Rating: 112.01
(2) Comp%: 56.1%
(3) YPA: 6.6
(4) TD to INT ratio: .6
(5) RS Jr.
Towles does NOT compare favorably to Harris.
My main factor, efficiency is higher for Harris by over 15 points.
I look at Comp% and YPA in tandem, a higher YPA usually justifies a lower Comp% because a short pass scheme (West Coast) usually results in more completions while a vertical scheme usually results in fewer completions. Towles has a higher Comp%, but it's not that much higher, particularly considering the YPA. I like Harris better here.
The TD to INT ratio STRONGLY favors Harris. Towles looks especially bad. I really don't want a QB who throws more INTs than TDs.
Harris is about to start his third year. He's only started for one year. Third and fourth years are big. Towles completed his fourth year in college and his second year starting. I don't see much upside at this point.
Some posts in this thread seem to suggest that Towles had a better 2014 than 2015. So let's look at his 2014 season:
Patrick Towles 2014
(1) QB Rating: 122.51
(2) Comp%: 57.3%
(3) YPA: 6.9
(4) TD to INT ratio: 1.5
(5) RS So.
Towles does NOT compare favorably to Harris in his 2014 season either. It's closer in 2014 than 2015, but Harris still looks better.
If it's up to me (and I know that it's not), I pass on Towles. That's what my analysis shows. He's been in college for four years already. Harris has been in for just two years. If LSU takes a transfer QB, it should be someone other than Towles.
When I compare QB stats I look at five things, four of which are ratios:
(1) QB Rating also called QB Efficiency [not to be confused ESPN'S QBR which is complete garbage],
(2) Completion percentage,
(3) Yards Per Attempt,
(4) TD to INT ratio, and
(5) year in college.
I don't look at gross stats like total passing yards or total TDs because factors such as injuries, offensive scheme, and win/loss record have too big an influence on gross numbers, and those non-QB talent factors can obscure proper analysis.
I didn't follow Towles this season, so I have no preconception on whether he's any good or not.
So let me take a look at him and compare him to Harris:
Brandon Harris 2015
(1) QB Rating: 127.77
(2) Comp%: 53.1%
(3) YPA: 7.5
(4) TD to INT ratio: 2.4
(5) True So.
Patrick Towles 2015
(1) QB Rating: 112.01
(2) Comp%: 56.1%
(3) YPA: 6.6
(4) TD to INT ratio: .6
(5) RS Jr.
Towles does NOT compare favorably to Harris.
My main factor, efficiency is higher for Harris by over 15 points.
I look at Comp% and YPA in tandem, a higher YPA usually justifies a lower Comp% because a short pass scheme (West Coast) usually results in more completions while a vertical scheme usually results in fewer completions. Towles has a higher Comp%, but it's not that much higher, particularly considering the YPA. I like Harris better here.
The TD to INT ratio STRONGLY favors Harris. Towles looks especially bad. I really don't want a QB who throws more INTs than TDs.
Harris is about to start his third year. He's only started for one year. Third and fourth years are big. Towles completed his fourth year in college and his second year starting. I don't see much upside at this point.
Some posts in this thread seem to suggest that Towles had a better 2014 than 2015. So let's look at his 2014 season:
Patrick Towles 2014
(1) QB Rating: 122.51
(2) Comp%: 57.3%
(3) YPA: 6.9
(4) TD to INT ratio: 1.5
(5) RS So.
Towles does NOT compare favorably to Harris in his 2014 season either. It's closer in 2014 than 2015, but Harris still looks better.
If it's up to me (and I know that it's not), I pass on Towles. That's what my analysis shows. He's been in college for four years already. Harris has been in for just two years. If LSU takes a transfer QB, it should be someone other than Towles.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 11:10 am to Salviati
Appreciate the analysis
Fair enough.
But, imo, when you factor in rushing stats (e.g. Towles in 2014) and take into account that Kentucky hasn't had a five star wide receiver (or any other players) since the Nixon administration (and LSU has multiple), I think Towles compares pretty favorably.
I honestly think Harris will have a great junior year and none of this will matter.
Further, I was never advocating that we take Towles, just thought it was worth discussing (and I think we have done that ).
quote:
Towles does NOT compare favorably to Harris in his 2014 season either. It's closer in 2014 than 2015, but Harris still looks better.
Fair enough.
But, imo, when you factor in rushing stats (e.g. Towles in 2014) and take into account that Kentucky hasn't had a five star wide receiver (or any other players) since the Nixon administration (and LSU has multiple), I think Towles compares pretty favorably.
quote:
If it's up to me (and I know that it's not), I pass on Towles. That's what my analysis shows. He's been in college for four years already. Harris has been in for just two years. If LSU takes a transfer QB, it should be someone other than Towles.
I honestly think Harris will have a great junior year and none of this will matter.
Further, I was never advocating that we take Towles, just thought it was worth discussing (and I think we have done that ).
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