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re: I'm afraid that some of the Les haters are too young to remember bad times
Posted on 11/25/15 at 7:16 am to YouAre8Up
Posted on 11/25/15 at 7:16 am to YouAre8Up
No I'm not too young. And get this, I think Miles is a great guy. But it's time to make a change. It's a much bigger business now than it use to be and the CEO's (coaches) will be treated accordingly. They are okay with it, why aren't some fans?
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Posted on 11/25/15 at 7:25 am to Revelator
I remember and was there for most of them in person and I want Miles gone yesterday. I used to toe that company line of careful what you wish for with getting rid of him, but enough is enough. It can't get better unless you try to make it better and Les is done.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 7:31 am to Revelator
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I'm afraid that some of the Les haters are too young to remember bad times
I'm a Raider fan. I wasn't born when John Madden coached my favorite NFL team. Al Davis operated the winningest franchise in professional sports - that was true until 2007, I believe, so should we have assumed all post-Gruden hires would be really good hires?
By your reasoning, because of how things were in the past, Al Davis should have continued to win at a regular clip because of what he did in the 70's, 80's and 90's.
The logic of your argument is flawed. The past is not necessarily an indication of the future.
The next coach might bring LSU back to the 90's. The next coach might make LSU better than Alabama.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 7:33 am to Revelator
I'm afraid some of the old codgers have the expectations of ole miss fans.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 7:37 am to statman34
I agree with OP completely, but it doesn't matter anymore. The well has been so poisoned by the last 2 weeks, Les can't come back. How's he gonna recruit or hire assistant coaches after this? Odds are we'll regret it, but change has to come. Hopefully we'll replace one winner with another, but what happened at Texas last year terrifies me. They have all our advantages and more, and had to settle for Strong. Hell, they might be looking for a new coach along side us in a week or two. Same thing happened at Notre Dame, Florida, Tennessee, Nebraska, Michigan, USC and others when they had to replace a long-time coach. Hope we hit jackpot like Ohio St.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 7:38 am to dstone12
I was a student at LSU during the Archer and Curly years.
I'm ready for a change...
I'm ready for a change...
Posted on 11/25/15 at 7:38 am to RuLSU
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The next coach might bring LSU back to the 90's. The next coach might make LSU better than Alabama.
Both of these are very true statements, I think the OP's point was simply that some of us "older" fans experienced the down years of the 90's up close and in person.
Not saying it isn't time for a change and CLM's run shouldn't be up. Just acknowledging that while things could improve, they could also go to s#it.
What's offensive is the Anti-Les crowd that spouts such nonsense as, "It can't get any worse", "Anyone can win here", etc. etc.
Not saying it will....But trust those who have seen it....Things can get a LOT WORSE!
This post was edited on 11/25/15 at 7:43 am
Posted on 11/25/15 at 7:39 am to Revelator
quote:And many pumpers haven't paid for season tickets for 25 years.
I'm afraid that some of the Les haters are too young to remember bad times
This post was edited on 11/25/15 at 7:40 am
Posted on 11/25/15 at 7:41 am to Revelator
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I'm afraid that lots of posters in here are too young to remember the Mike Archer and Curley Hallman days at LSU?
A) I'm old enough to remember
B) Do you really think that any person not old enough to remember the Archer/Hallman days is in a position to have any authority on Les Miles fate? I'm quite certain the people in charge of Les Miles' fate are old enough.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 7:42 am to tigerpawl
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And many pumpers haven't paid for season tickets for 25 years.
Well...I've paid for them for the last 24 years...does that count!
Posted on 11/25/15 at 7:47 am to Revelator
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This is only a guess.
So is the Chicken Little attitude by the Miles apologists that we will stay the same or improve under Miles. We can what-if this scenario to death. It's a risk vs. reward thing. It may flop but it is time to attempt to better the program. And, yes, I was there through the Stovall, Arnsparger, Archer, Hallman, Dinardo days - every last one of them.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 8:04 am to Croozin2
DAE remember the 80s and 90s when elderly dumb asses didn't know how to use the internet?
Posted on 11/25/15 at 8:06 am to Revelator
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I'm not here to say so much whether Les should be let go or not, only that history proves that the wrong hire can be both painful and prolonged.
So, hiring a bad coach can hurt a program. Thanks for the revelation.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 8:09 am to Moots
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I think the OP's point was simply that some of us "older" fans experienced the down years of the 90's up close and in person.
But it seems some of you aren't old enough to remember the McClendon days of the 1970s. That's where Miles has taken us.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 8:11 am to Revelator
We would be better off if we had removed him two years ago
Posted on 11/25/15 at 8:19 am to Nuts4LSU
quote:And finally witnessed the planting of LSU's flag on top of the mountain. Is it unreasonable to protect that - even if it means major surgery?
I think the OP's point was simply that some of us "older" fans experienced the down years of the 90's up close and in person.
#31 in the nation last year.
#28 currently.
quote:Even Curly never lost 3 straight by double digits.
I'm afraid that lots of posters in here are too young to remember the Mike Archer and Curley Hallman days at LSU?
Posted on 11/25/15 at 8:24 am to Revelator
Can we please put this assumption to bed? First of all, you're wrong. But secondly, it makes no sense. Don't you think that those of us who have experienced LSU football as fans/students from McClendon - on would be afraid to see LSU slip back to mediocrity?
The entire LSU community suffered from a mindset that LSU was never going to be an elite team. The expectations, the facilities, the coaching hires, etc. were all conditions of that mindset.
Then a little guy named Nick came along and completely changed that. And then your hero followed up. But after 2007, he got a fat pay raise and decided he was going to coast his way into retirement 20 years later.
So here we are at the crossroads. Do we continue to slip back into that old mindset of complacency and settle for just winning barely enough and declaring that LSU is not an elite team, or do we go down the road that Saban paved for us and make a change to try to be a part of winning titles again?
The entire LSU community suffered from a mindset that LSU was never going to be an elite team. The expectations, the facilities, the coaching hires, etc. were all conditions of that mindset.
Then a little guy named Nick came along and completely changed that. And then your hero followed up. But after 2007, he got a fat pay raise and decided he was going to coast his way into retirement 20 years later.
So here we are at the crossroads. Do we continue to slip back into that old mindset of complacency and settle for just winning barely enough and declaring that LSU is not an elite team, or do we go down the road that Saban paved for us and make a change to try to be a part of winning titles again?
Posted on 11/25/15 at 2:12 pm to Choupique19
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Do you really think that any person not old enough to remember the Archer/Hallman days is in a position to have any authority on Les Miles fate? I'm quite certain the people in charge of Les Miles' fate are old enough.
Valid point
Posted on 11/25/15 at 2:15 pm to Nuts4LSU
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So, hiring a bad coach can hurt a program. Thanks for the revelation.
That's not exactly what I said and you are representing my sentiments.
My main point is that many of the posters on here have never personally experienced losing at LSU, and it can change ones perspective.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 2:41 pm to Revelator
Nope. I grew up listening to the Bear stomp mudholes in Charly Mac in the radio. I remember the bad times very well but want what any competitive person wants, to win. Win more, win it all. Championships or bust, all in.
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