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The Mongols knew how to deal with Islam
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:54 am
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:54 am
If you want some fascinating reading/listening, the following links may interest you.
Dan Carlin's Hardcore History-Wrath of the Khans available for free
Siege of Baghdad
History of Jihad- Mongolia
Just a little history lesson for toady.
Also, new Hardcore History available.
Dan Carlin's Hardcore History-Wrath of the Khans available for free
Siege of Baghdad
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The Grand Library of Baghdad, containing countless precious historical documents and books on subjects ranging from medicine to astronomy, was destroyed. Survivors said that the waters of the Tigris ran black with ink from the enormous quantities of books flung into the river and red from the blood of the scientists and philosophers killed.
Citizens attempted to flee, but were intercepted by Mongol soldiers who killed in abundance, sparing neither women nor children. Martin Sicker writes that close to 90,000 people may have died.[27] Other estimates go much higher. Wassaf claims the loss of life was several hundred thousand. Ian Frazier of The New Yorker says estimates of the death toll have ranged from 200,000 to a million.
The Mongols looted and then destroyed mosques, palaces, libraries, and hospitals. Grand buildings that had been the work of generations were burned to the ground.
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The caliph was captured and forced to watch as his citizens were murdered and his treasury plundered. According to most accounts, the caliph was killed by trampling. The Mongols rolled the caliph up in a rug, and rode their horses over him, as they believed that the earth would be offended if it were touched by royal blood. All but one of his sons were killed, and the sole surviving son was sent to Mongolia,
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"Iraq in 1258 was very different from present day Iraq. Its agriculture was supported by canal networks thousands of years old. Baghdad was one of the most brilliant intellectual centers in the world. The Mongol destruction of Baghdad was a psychological blow from which Islam never recovered. With the sack of Baghdad, the intellectual flowering of Islam was snuffed out. Imagining the Athens of Pericles and Aristotle obliterated by a nuclear weapon begins to suggest the enormity of the blow. The Mongols filled in the irrigation canals and left Iraq too depopulated to restore them." [29]
"They swept through the city like hungry falcons attacking a flight of doves, or like raging wolves attacking sheep, with loose reins and shameless faces, murdering and spreading terror...beds and cushions made of gold and encrusted with jewels were cut to pieces with knives and torn to shreds. Those hiding behind the veils of the great Harem were dragged...through the streets and alleys, each of them becoming a plaything...as the population died at the hands of the invaders."
History of Jihad- Mongolia
Just a little history lesson for toady.
Also, new Hardcore History available.
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 9:56 am
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:55 am to fr33manator
The way to handle filth is to treat them as filth.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:56 am to fr33manator
To be honest, I think that is the worst thing to ever happen to their religion. Baghdad was a place of enlightenment and had the largest library in history. The Mongols invasion of Baghdad is an absolute travesty from the knowledge that was lost. Now the region doesn't crave knowledge at all, despite being the intellectual capital at the time. They have yet to recover from the Siege.
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 9:58 am
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:59 am to OMLandshark
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The Mongols invasion of Baghdad is an absolute travesty from the knowledge that was lost.
I agree with this, but the Muslim caliphate brought it upon themselves with the forcible and violent conversion of people to Islam, "by the sword". It's a violent religion with violent origins that understands violence.
It wasn't Islam that made Baghdad the intellectual capital of the world, it was the fact that that was the birthplace of civilization.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:59 am to fr33manator
The mongols caused such chaos that the middle east never recovered its stability, and one might argue started it down the road to where it is today. Are they entirely to blame? No, but they were one factor.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:59 am to OMLandshark
It basically destroyed Islamic intellectualism and pushed the region into a dark age. The destruction of Baghdad could be a reason for the prevelance of fundamentalism in the Middle East. Thanks Mongols!
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:01 am to fr33manator
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I agree with this, but the Muslim caliphate brought it upon themselves with the forcible and violent conversion of people to Islam, "by the sword". It's a violent religion with violent origins that understands violence.
It wasn't Islam that made Baghdad the intellectual capital of the world, it was the fact that that was the birthplace of civilization.
But Christianity at the time was doing this to the same if not greater extent. I don't think that they needed to be treated as a scourge of the planet. Islam was less radical then than it is now.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:02 am to VOLhalla
Islam was by no means peaceful at that point. read the histories. The intellectualism in that are was due to it's proximity to earlier civilizations and infrastructure, essentially, Not Islam.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:04 am to OMLandshark
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But Christianity at the time was doing this to the same if not greater extent.
Not to the Mongols/ Mongol allies.
They just happened to pick the wrong folks to piss off.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:06 am to fr33manator
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 10:08 am
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:09 am to fr33manator
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Not to the Mongols/ Mongol allies.
They just happened to pick the wrong folks to piss off.
The Mongols weren't retaliating, they were expanding their empire. They did the same thing to non-belligerents.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:09 am to OMLandshark
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ut Christianity at the time was doing this to the same if not greater extent. I don't think that they needed to be treated as a scourge of the planet. Islam was less radical then than it is now.
You do realize that Islamic forces attacked Christendom in both the Middle East and invaded Europe before any Crusade was ever launched. right?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:10 am to fr33manator
That is the way to do it. You have to black flag their arse.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:11 am to fr33manator
fr33manator
What movie is the image in the OP from?
What movie is the image in the OP from?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:13 am to OMLandshark
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ut Christianity at the time was doing this to the same if not greater extent.
Wasn't it much earlier than this period?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:13 am to Jim Rockford
Read the histories. Yes, Baghdad and other Islamic cities in the west offered ample looting opportunities, but so did places such as Korea and Japan, much closer to home.
It was violence towards Mongolian emissaries and Allies which prompted the Khan to begin his conquest of the Islamic world.
Khwarezmian Conquest.
It was violence towards Mongolian emissaries and Allies which prompted the Khan to begin his conquest of the Islamic world.
Khwarezmian Conquest.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:13 am to OMLandshark
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But Christianity at the time was doing this to the same if not greater extent
Do you people even read about history or just make shite up as you go?
Why don't you look into the Muslim invasion of southern Europe prior to any sort of Crusades taking place and get back to us.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:16 am to BamaScoop
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“Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.”
H.L. Mencken,
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 10:17 am
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:22 am to fr33manator
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The intellectualism in that are was due to it's proximity to earlier civilizations and infrastructure, essentially, Not Islam.
With the exception of mathematics they didn't do much on their own, just stole knowledge from other cultures.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:22 am to fr33manator
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Islam was by no means peaceful at that point. read the histories
No one ever said that it was. Can you make an argument that ANY major religion was peaceful at that time?
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The intellectualism in that are was due to it's proximity to earlier civilizations and infrastructure, essentially, Not Islam.
So what? Prior to the sacking of Baghdad there existed a major Islamic state that was much less backwards than what followed. A great city and a lot of knowledge were lost and Islam became much more fundamentalist. The world is a worse place today because of the fall of Baghdad.
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