Les has picked some Bad OC's

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The common thread is non of these guys are very good.

I still blame les because he went and got these guys, but they are all terrible OCs before and after they came to LSU. not just during their time with les.

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So Les is incapable of finding a competent OC....

OR

No competent OC wants to work with Miles.

Take your pick, both equally bad.

SAMMY will you ever admit that the problem may not be the hires but the one who is doing the hiring?

Tell me who you think the best OC is the country is and I will tell you if he works for CLM under CLM's philosophy- the OC will not succeed

CLM needs to learn "hire good people and get out of their way"

He would likely have two more NC's and many other victories under his belt

CLM's problems are self inflicted gun wounds

Jimbo Fisher first who said Miles changed 2 out of every three plays he called...

And about those guys being fired, everyone in the business has been fired before....

Big problem I have is signin dual threat QB's to run a pro set.offense....
Pro set is run successfully in the NFL by pure passers where they mostly pass...
Alabama usually runs the pro set well, I know they don't pass much but they do enough to keep you from loading up on them, they also use a lot of motion to weaken one side or the other to run.....They kept motioning the tight end across and d jones would follow and they let henry cut back where there was no linebacker help, slashing us to death but I don't know shite I just watch the games....

Agreed. This has been his biggest set of mistakes. Hell Saban even hired a young cocky OC. Saban cares more about winning and scoring TDs than doing it "his way". It takes some youth and a lets put the foot on the gas to win these days WITH offense.

Defense wins championships my @$$. You've got to score points. May be a bad example but check with the Atlanta Braves teams from the 90s. Best pitching staff of all time yet got their @$$ kicked in the playoffs because they couldn't hit.

I am sick and damn tired of bad offense. It's ridiculous, asinine, lazy, stupid, retarded, insane to put up with it anymore. It doesn't take a genius. LSU can have the best of both worlds. Dedicate to a good offense, but also able to recruit enough good defensive players to be dominant.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

The problem is not the Oc's it's miles philosophy.
The Miles Method is "play conservative, run the ball, win the game in the 4th quarter." That worked for Michigan because they had more talent than everyone in the Big 10. It will not
Work in a league where teams are fairly even in terms of athletes.

It's all bad.

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Alabama usually runs the pro set well, I know they don't pass much but they do enough to keep you from loading up on them

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Everyone knows Saban likes a run heavy, ball control offense but he has been willing to pass enough to keep the defense honest and not stack the box. And he does it without a fullback. Fournette is better than Henry but he cant be successful without a fullback and one and sometimes two tight ends?

Interesting to think about the 2 OCs he wasn't really responsible for hiring/selecting and how successful they have been without him.... Jimbo Fisher and Mike Gundy.

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Alabama usually runs the pro set well, I know they don't pass much but they do enough to keep you from loading up on them


Everyone knows Saban likes a run heavy, ball control offense but he has been willing to pass enough to keep the defense honest and not stack the box. And he does it without a fullback. Fournette is better than Henry but he cant be successful without a fullback and one and sometimes two tight ends?

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Exactly!!! And when they see the fullback and the double tights what does everyone in the stadium know??? RRUUNNN

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They were 9-4, they finished the regular season 1-2 after he was fired, and have a 20-21 record since winning the Superbowl. Don't let the fact that Joe Flacco went insane for that playoff run to cloud your judgment of a great OC.

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Shh.....Don't burst his bubble.

Ray Rice :

"It's a tough business and whatever decisions had to be made, I'm definitely not one of the guys who gets involved in personnel, play calling and all that," Rice said. "Like I said, I've never been one to complain about my touches. I've always just understood my role as a playmaker on this team and try to put myself in the best position to make plays.


"I don't think much is going to change right now. You can't change much. He's not going to re-invent the wheel. He knows how to win football games. He's won a lot over his career."

"I thought he was a great coach and he's done a lot for me the last few years," Rice said. "I don't know the pressure of being an offensive coordinator, but I do know the pressure to win, and we've done a lot of winning over the last few years with him. I'm sure he'll get a job elsewhere. I definitely wish the guy the best in his career."

Joe Flacco :

"Listen, Cam has done so much for my career," Flacco said. "He brought me here and trusted to bring me here, first of all. He's just helped me every year I've been here. I'll never forget that. He's been great for me."

Matt Birk :

“It’s not like we changed everything we were doing.”

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This season, the Ravens’ offense was not exactly scuffling with Cameron at the helm. When he was dismissed, the team was 9-4, having lost two straight games, and averaging 344.4 yards of offense. Under Jim Caldwell, who was promoted from quarterbacks coach, the Ravens have averaged 406.2 yards

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Cameron has had his share of success. An acolyte of the longtime coach Don Coryell, whose high-octane passing attack continues to influence the modern game, Cameron directed one of the highest-scoring offenses in N.F.L. history in 2006 with the San Diego Chargers.

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From 2002-2006, he served as the offensive coordinator for the San Diego Chargers. In 2004, San Diego scored 446 points, third-highest in the NFL that year and the third-most in team history. Following the 2004 campaign, Sports Illustrated named Cameron its Offensive Assistant of the Year. In 2005, the Chargers averaged 26.1 points per game - good for fifth in the NFL in that category. In 2006, the Chargers offense amassed a team-record 494 points while paving the way for league MVP LaDainian Tomlinson to break the single-season touchdown record. In addition to Tomlinson, Cameron had the opportunity to work with Pro Bowl quarterbacks Drew Brees and Philip Rivers, as well as All-Pro tight end Antonio Gates in San Diego.

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LaDainian Tomlinson :

"He was a guy who believes in offensive efficiency. Running the football. Throwing it. But being efficient. He gave me the football every way he could give it to me. Running it, throwing it to me, and he allowed me to throw the football. And so I appreciate Cam Cameron for his service to the Chargers.”

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Cameron is the only offensive coordinator that Rice has had since coming into the NFL in 2008, and Rice blossomed into one of the game's premier running backs under him. While his involvement in the offense sometimes became a subject of controversy, Rice had the second most touches (1,339) and most yards from scrimmage (7,302) since becoming a starter in 2009.

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So there's some fans that think Cam doesn't know how to get a work horse back the ball without just turning around & handing the ball off to him? Yall muthafrickas are crazy if yall Cam has complete say so on game planning, play design & in game play calling.

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A decade ago Mike Gundy and Josh Henson would sit in the Oklahoma State offensive meeting room and draw up plays they knew their boss would never run. That boss was Cowboys head coach Les Miles.

Henson coached tight ends and Gundy was offensive coordinator. But Miles called the shots, of which there were few downfield in an offense that had its roots in the power running game Miles learned as an offensive lineman under Bo Schembechler at Michigan.

Henson and Gundy’s ideas “would go on deaf ears with Les,” Gundy said here this week, “because it didn’t involve two tight ends and a fullback.”

Henson and Gundy weren’t alone in their thinking. Henson, now Missouri’s offensive coordinator, said part of OSU’s staff wanted more spread formations, more deep passes to stretch defenses vertically.

“We felt like we had pretty good personnel with three or four wide receivers,” Henson said. “But you have to be who you are in this job. I know that sounds so cliché, but that’s not who Les Miles was.”

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How much more evidence do these people want to show that Les is the problem behind the simplistic offense?