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So what has changed?
Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:17 pm
It was just two years ago that the USMNT was on a record-setting winstreak and was just one year ago that we were more visually appealing than Portugal in the World Cup.
But then, all of the sudden, the calendar turns to the 2015 and we are getting beat by Jamaica and bunkering for our lives against Panama and Costa Rica on home soil.
We all know Jurgen sucks as a tactician... but his tactics sucked in 2013 & 14, too, yet we still overcame it for the most part. And in terms of player pool these last three years, there hasn't been THAT much turnover (moreso than usual at least) and it's not like the younger guys that have broken through have been major downgrades to those they replaced.
I just don't get it.
But then, all of the sudden, the calendar turns to the 2015 and we are getting beat by Jamaica and bunkering for our lives against Panama and Costa Rica on home soil.
We all know Jurgen sucks as a tactician... but his tactics sucked in 2013 & 14, too, yet we still overcame it for the most part. And in terms of player pool these last three years, there hasn't been THAT much turnover (moreso than usual at least) and it's not like the younger guys that have broken through have been major downgrades to those they replaced.
I just don't get it.
This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 4:18 pm
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Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:24 pm to Broski
Output from Bradley has dropped tremendously.
No Donovan.
Jones is getting too old.
No Donovan.
Jones is getting too old.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:26 pm to Shane4689
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No Donovan.
Outside of the Gold Cup, he wasn't in the picture in 13-14.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:28 pm to Shane4689
The fan base has grown to include a vast number of virtual football managers who incorrectly think that they know better.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:29 pm to Tennessee Jed
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Tennessee Jed
You're adorable.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:31 pm to Broski
I call them the FIFA generation, and they are truly miserable.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:36 pm to Tennessee Jed
That's great... but it has absolutely nothing to do with the USMNT's quality of play taking a severe dip.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:37 pm to Broski
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That's great... but it has absolutely nothing to do with the USMNT's quality of play taking a severe dip.
Well that comment is not grounded in reality, so what's the point in debating it?
Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:38 pm to Broski
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We all know Jurgen sucks as a tactician... but his tactics sucked in 2013 & 14, too, yet we still overcame it for the most part.
This is the crux of the issue.
The USMNT was able to overcome the manager's tactics by a few key moments of brilliance like John Brooks' header and Tim Howard making a record number of saves. The USMNT did not make it out of the group stage BECAUSE of Jurgy's brilliant tactics and exclusion of Donovan; they made it out of the group stage IN SPITE of these factors.
The USMNT hasn't been able to overcome the manager's tactics as of late. Moreover, the manager's tactics and judgments have become even worse. Bedoya as a 6? Alvarado as CB? This level of bizarreness was not present in 2014.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:40 pm to John Keating
Do you want to know what has changed?
CONCACAF as a whole is getting stronger, and a lot of that has to do with the MLS.
CONCACAF as a whole is getting stronger, and a lot of that has to do with the MLS.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:42 pm to Tennessee Jed
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Well that comment is not grounded in reality,
So, just to be clear, you're saying the USMNT is just as good now as it was in 2013 & 2014?
Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:51 pm to Tennessee Jed
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Do you want to know what has changed?
CONCACAF as a whole is getting stronger, and a lot of that has to do with the MLS.
Why have other nations in CONCACAF gotten stronger with the exception of the US?
Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:54 pm to Broski
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So, just to be clear, you're saying the USMNT is just as good now as it was in 2013 & 2014?
All teams have peaks and valleys, and you're severely over stating our current dip in form.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:55 pm to Tennessee Jed
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and you're severely over stating our current dip in form.
How so?
Finishing fourth in the Gold Cup is pretty damning.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:56 pm to Broski
Yeah I don't think it's possible to overstate our dip in form.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:57 pm to Broski
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How so? Finishing fourth in the Gold Cup is pretty damning.
I strongly disagree. Dropping a third place game to a side like Panama is not really that big of a deal.
This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:58 pm to Tennessee Jed
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I strongly disagree.
Well, then you should stick to playing FIFA I guess.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 5:00 pm to Broski
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Well, then you should stick to playing FIFA I guess.
No, I'll continue to objectively watch and cheer for the national team like I have been doing for close to 20 years now.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 5:02 pm to Tennessee Jed
Ok, humor me, why do disagree that it isn't a concern that the US finished fourth in the Gold Cup?
Posted on 11/18/15 at 5:06 pm to Broski
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Ok, humor me, why do disagree that it isn't a concern that the US finished fourth in the Gold Cup?
Because I refuse to get worked up over losing a consolation game against Panama. Anyone who watched the Copa America knew that Jamaica was going to be a tough out. We had a few bad games in a row. It happens.
It's never as good or as bad as it seems.
This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 5:08 pm
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