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re: If Miles wins the last two, does he deserve at least one more year?
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:16 pm to Bootycall
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:16 pm to Bootycall
Going into the year most reasonable people said 9-10 wins would be a good year. He is at 7 with 3 left and a gimme game cancelled. Not sure why all of a sudden people think 9 or 10 wins with this particular team = failure.
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:17 pm to dgnx6
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You mean after they started winning? You don't say. So did he or didn't help Mcartney build up that program? He did.
He did his part to get guys there, but McCartney was the bigger thing. You watched 30for30 about Mac and now Les is some God that elevated an entire program at Colorado?
He was a position coach there and no one said he was a bad recruiter. The point is as a HC, he is not a good manager of recruiting classes. He gets tons of talent with gaping holes for multiple position groups. That is a fact.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:18 pm to Geauxgurt
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Yet, Auburn has accomplished what Les has in the last 8 years twice + more under two different coaches and while firing two of them.
Tubbs was fired after going 2-6 in conference play and Chizik was fired after going 0fer in conference play. When Miles manages that, feel free to start a "Fire Miles" thread.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:19 pm to Geauxgurt
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Let's see. Bama has quite a few legit LA prospects that were happy to go there and have succeeded including many on the DL, OL, LBer.
QB is not an excuse. Saban and Miles won NCs with non-LA QBs, so what is your point?
What few legit prospects does Bama have that would start at LSU from LA? They have one.
I see you post a lot of bullshite and I'm just calling you out.
This notion that anyone can recruit and win at LSU is utter bullshite. That had been proven from 1958-2003.
And Les had to do it after the most fertile recruiting area in the state was destroyed. The population numbers still aren't back up to pre Katrina levels.
I'm just pointing out to you, who likes to discredit this coach, he didn't have it as easy as you think.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:20 pm to chilge1
Uh, no
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:20 pm to chilge1
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:22 pm to Bootycall
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If Miles wins the last two, does he deserve at least one more year?
Of course he does. That's a 9-2 season when most people were predicting 8 or 9 wins at the start of the season. He would have achieved expectations.
These next 2 weeks may be the most important in Les's career if he wants to keep coaching. If he loses both games, he's likely gone. If he wins both, he stays. If he splits, it could come down to the bowl game.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:22 pm to chilge1
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Tubbs was fired after going 2-6 in conference play and Chizik was fired after going 0fer in conference play. When Miles manages that, feel free to start a "Fire Miles" thread.
I agree, but my point is that they fired a coach in Tubbs that won nearly 70% of his SEC games, had an SEC title, had never had a 0.500 SEC record or worse prior to that year, and went around an won the SEC and NC two years later.
Chizik then got fired and they turn around and win the SEC and make the NC the very next year.
They didn't have the talent on any of those teams (save Newton) in comparison to LSU, yet had better final results as far as championships go.
The point was that people acting like replacing Les will immediately lead to disaster are the ones ignoring history.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:22 pm to Geauxgurt
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did his part to get guys there, but McCartney was the bigger thing. You watched 30for30 about Mac and now Les is some God that elevated an entire program at Colorado? ?
Did I say that? He's worked under and learned from some really great coaches. People act like no one would hire this guy when plenty of people have. He is the best coach LSU has had.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:22 pm to Bootycall
Deserve - No
Get - Yes
Get - Yes
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:25 pm to Bootycall
stop starting threads retard
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:26 pm to Bootycall
if the tigers win the final two games all talk of miles leaving will stop. if he wins a bowl game, TD will again be talking about putting up a statue like they were a week and a half ago.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:26 pm to Bootycall
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I'd say no. The game has passed him by and I think he needs to go.
While I agree that it is past time for him to move on, winning the last 2 will make it very hard to fire him unfortunately.
Best case is that we win the last 2 and the bowl game and he elects to resign. If he doesn't we are stuck with him for a minimum of 2 more years Im afraid.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:26 pm to dgnx6
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What few legit prospects does Bama have that would start at LSU from LA? They have one.
Robinson, Devall was there, Collins, Tim Williams. Noil went to A&M. Collins brother left to UF (although he was a headcase).
Of course none of those count right? Tim Williams is another because it doesn't count since Louisiana has no talent, right?
2 years ago, the 2014 class was going to be the most epic ever for any state much less Louisiana and now that LSU lost a ton of players from it, Louisiana talent is shite. Same thing with 2011.
You call out my bullshite by belittling Louisiana talent because Les, the savior of Boulder, couldn't keep them home? Yeah, you sunshine pumpers really are losing it.
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And Les had to do it after the most fertile recruiting area in the state was destroyed. The population numbers still aren't back up to pre Katrina levels.
I'm just pointing out to you, who likes to discredit this coach, he didn't have it as easy as you think.
You have got to be kidding me.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:28 pm to NoNameTiger
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Best case is that we win the last 2 and the bowl game and he elects to resign.
best case is that he stays one more year, goes undefeated, wins another SEC and national championship...then resigns.
amirite people?
This post was edited on 11/17/15 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:28 pm to NoNameTiger
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While I agree that it is past time for him to move on, winning the last 2 will make it very hard to fire him unfortunately.
True, and he shouldn't be fired if LSU finishes the season 10-2.
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Best case is that we win the last 2 and the bowl game and he elects to resign. If he doesn't we are stuck with him for a minimum of 2 more years Im afraid.
Not going to happen. LSU is stuck with him until at least 2019. Les isn't giving up that money even if he thinks it is what is best for LSU.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:29 pm to GeorgeWest
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1. LSU is NOT going to pay Les Miles $15.5 million over 2.5 years which is what they would havr to do if they fire him before january 1, 2016. (Its $12 mil if they wait til Jan 2.)
2. So, Les Miles will be HC next season no matter what our finish is UNLESS he quits.
3. Alleva could make it hard for Les to stay IF Alleva plays hardball with Cam's contract or lack THEREOF. It COULD be January 10, 2016 and LSU announces Les is leaving with a reduced buyout. It would be a mutual parting in that case.
4. The real problem with #3 is that it sends a very bad message to whomever LSU might want to hire as HC at that point. NOt to mention, most vacancies will already be fkilled by that point leaving LSU with limited choices for a new HC.
George has injected reality into an otherwise boring topic. Bottom line, Les isn't going anywhere unless he resigns. And I don't see that happening.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:31 pm to SabiDojo
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And, then what? Hire a coach who will lose out on some recruits
We don't know this. Besides, this will be a concern whenever Miles leaves. And he has shown a complete inability to maximize the talent we have on offense. So even if we get these great recruits, they will be coached right to mediocrity.
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while Miles gets scooped up by another school and he turns them into a conference or national title contender overnight while we struggle to become bowl eligible?
Unlikely. Whenever Miles leaves LSU, my guess is that he won't coach again.
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the grass is not always greener on the other side
Maybe not, but the grass dying on this side right now and nothing suggests it won't continue to do so.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:31 pm to Geauxgurt
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I agree, but my point is that they fired a coach in Tubbs that won nearly 70% of his SEC games, had an SEC title, had never had a 0.500 SEC record or worse prior to that year, and went around an won the SEC and NC two years later.
Yeah, well, that's politics for you.
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Chizik then got fired and they turn around and win the SEC and make the NC the very next year.
They didn't have the talent on any of those teams (save Newton) in comparison to LSU, yet had better final results as far as championships go.
In 2010, LSU was a win against Auburn from winning the division until Cam Newton single handedly beat us by rushing for 200 yards and 2 TDs.
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The point was that people acting like replacing Les will immediately lead to disaster are the ones ignoring history.
Think about it this way using arbitrary numbers and assuming Alabama is the preeminent program in the country since 2005:
Alabama - 1.000
Ohio St - .990
Oregon - .970
TCU - .950
LSU - .940
Florida - .940
Georgia - .910
Mizzou - .880
Auburn - .850
S Carolina - .800
etc. etc.
Do you think that a new hire, whoever it is, is going to increase the ceiling of Miles's program by .060, keep it constant, or see it dip? We're talking about the possibility of making a very slight jump from where we are to the top of the CFB world... or possibly falling off the map entirely.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:33 pm to NoNameTiger
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While I agree that it is past time for him to move on, winning the last 2 will make it very hard to fire him unfortunately.
This statement is just.... wow. You have literally stated you would rather lose to see the coach fail than win to see the program succeed.
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