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re: Fumble on punt return
Posted on 11/3/15 at 8:12 am to josh336
Posted on 11/3/15 at 8:12 am to josh336
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It should be a dead ball once snead recovers i think.
No, it was a live fumble; the play was not over until the ball was ruled dead. If Snead recovered it and the Giants stripped the ball again, it would have been their ball (less 15 yards for facemask).
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Posted on 11/3/15 at 9:21 am to Weekend Warrior79
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No, it was a live fumble; the play was not over until the ball was ruled dead. If Snead recovered it and the Giants stripped the ball again, it would have been their ball (less 15 yards for facemask).
This exactly. Very rarely will a situation arise where the officials need to blow a live play dead. 99.9% of the time, the play will kill itself and the whistle only informs all that the play is dead.
This play clearly illustrates why the officials throw a bean bag on fumbles. It is not to indicate a fumble. It is to mark a potential enforcement spot. The play remains live, regardless of who recovers, until it kills itself.
This post was edited on 11/3/15 at 9:24 am
Posted on 11/3/15 at 9:30 am to Weekend Warrior79
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If Snead recovered it and the Giants stripped the ball again, it would have been their ball (less 15 yards for facemask).
The play is over once snead recovers it.
It becomes a dead ball, but a PF is still enforceable
Here you go:
quote:
Although the ball was dead the moment Snead recovered it -- when a player fumbles after the two-minute warning in a half, only the fumbling player is permitted to recover and/or advance the ball -- former NFL head of officials and Fox analyst Mike Pereira said on the postgame broadcast that personal fouls are "still added on even beyond where the ball became dead by rule."
He added, "In the end, they got the enforcement of it right and the face-mask call right."
We almost got fricked there...again
This post was edited on 11/3/15 at 9:32 am
Posted on 11/7/15 at 9:30 am to Weekend Warrior79
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If Snead recovered it and the Giants stripped the ball again, it would have been their ball (less 15 yards for facemask).
I think once the face mask occurred there was nothing the Giants could do unless the Saints committed a penalty.
So in other words, even if Snead fumbled and the Giants recovered, the face mask penalty would negate the Snead fumble, Saints ball + 15. If time expired, the game can't end on a defensive penalty.
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