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re: Would it be crazy to not take a RB in my first 2 picks??**update**
Posted on 8/20/15 at 12:02 pm to Abikaasa_Posti_Teel
Posted on 8/20/15 at 12:02 pm to Abikaasa_Posti_Teel
I think it is ok not to take an rb with your first two picks, but I wouldn't go with a TE & QB. If you don't want to take a RB go WR/TE or WR/QB or WR/WR. If you aren't going to have a top rb I think you need a top wr. In a ten team league I would wait on a qb.
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Posted on 8/20/15 at 12:08 pm to Peazey
Lots of good points made in this
Also, consider Gronks injury issues. Yea, he was healthy last season. He also had a big year in 2011. So 2 seasons out of 5 with massive numbers. Not a safe pick to me. One with high upside IF he stays healthy.
Lacy, AP, Bell, Charles, Lynch are givens that should go above Gronk due to scarcity at RB. Forte is another RB I trust ahead of Gronk.
Dez - 4 straights seasons with good/great production.
Antonio Brown - 3/4 seasons with great production, one season where he missed games.
Calvin Johnson -6/7 seasons with 1k+ yards
Julio - Injury issues similar to Gronk, but even more upside.
Demaryius Thomas - 3 straights seasons with massive production
Other players I like more than Gronk: Nelson, Murray, Cj Anderson.
Also, consider Gronks injury issues. Yea, he was healthy last season. He also had a big year in 2011. So 2 seasons out of 5 with massive numbers. Not a safe pick to me. One with high upside IF he stays healthy.
Lacy, AP, Bell, Charles, Lynch are givens that should go above Gronk due to scarcity at RB. Forte is another RB I trust ahead of Gronk.
Dez - 4 straights seasons with good/great production.
Antonio Brown - 3/4 seasons with great production, one season where he missed games.
Calvin Johnson -6/7 seasons with 1k+ yards
Julio - Injury issues similar to Gronk, but even more upside.
Demaryius Thomas - 3 straights seasons with massive production
Other players I like more than Gronk: Nelson, Murray, Cj Anderson.
This post was edited on 8/20/15 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 8/20/15 at 12:15 pm to Abikaasa_Posti_Teel
I've never seen anyone go TE first round and win the league. Just doesn't happen.
RB/RB or RB/WR are pretty much the statistically best Rounds 1 and 2 in almost any scenario if you are interested in competing. If it's just for fun and people are taking Romo in the 2nd or 3rd, go for it.
Otherwise, you just leave too many points on the table.
RB/RB or RB/WR are pretty much the statistically best Rounds 1 and 2 in almost any scenario if you are interested in competing. If it's just for fun and people are taking Romo in the 2nd or 3rd, go for it.
Otherwise, you just leave too many points on the table.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 12:15 pm to CocoLoco
I wouldn't do it, and I don't think it's a safe pick. I never said that. However, calling it categorically stupid is ridiculous. There is a very reasoned and fair, entirely logical, and even mathematical reason for taking Gronk at the end of the first round.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 12:20 pm to Peazey
I agree. It's all about value per position. If there was a kicker that was 10 points better than all other kickers every week, I would take him fricking 1st overall. Gronk is as close to that (obviously not quote that insane) as it gets in fantasy.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 12:27 pm to Freauxzen
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I've never seen anyone go TE first round and win the league. Just doesn't happen.
What about a WR?
Posted on 8/20/15 at 12:30 pm to Abikaasa_Posti_Teel
With that scoring I take one of the QBs in the first. If your mates are smart Gronk will be there in the 2nd and the QB won't.
If you have a hard on for Gronk, then pick him, but to justify it by thinking he is less likely to get hurt that is dumb.
If you have a hard on for Gronk, then pick him, but to justify it by thinking he is less likely to get hurt that is dumb.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 12:30 pm to CocoLoco
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Also, consider Gronks injury issues. Yea, he was healthy last season. He also had a big year in 2011. So 2 seasons out of 5 with massive numbers. Not a safe pick to me. One with high upside IF he stays healthy.
Double digit touchdowns every season except one.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 12:37 pm to CocoLoco
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givens that should go above Gronk due to scarcity at RB.
Because rb is more scarce than TE.
I'm going to stop now because I don't think you even see the argument.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 12:42 pm to Lester Earl
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his last 2 full seasons played, on average: 86 catches, 1225 yards, 14 TDs Let's not forget the pace he was on in 2013 thru 7 games before he got hurt 90 catches 1350 yards, 9 TDs dude is a justifiable top 10 pick even in a 10 tm league
He's not a better pick than Dez Bryant, Calvin Johnson, or Julio Jones in any way. Those are the players OP is passing up by picking Gronk there.
This post was edited on 8/20/15 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 8/20/15 at 12:44 pm to Lester Earl
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What about a WR?
Of course. RB/WR = WR/RB too. The top 2 or 3 WR's are extremely valuable.
Gronk can put up WR1 numbers right? That's the idea? Still doesn't work, and is still way too much of a gamble imo. Not that Gronk won't produce, or not that Gronk won't be the #1 tight end, both of those are probable ends. But I'd rather the #1 or #2 at RB/WR/QB than I would the #1 at TE.
Being competitive in FF is all about mitigating risk in averaging the highest ceiling and having the highest floor in Points Per Week. Statistics don't play out in a TE's favor in that scenario.
I mean it's a fun draft choice, but not a serious one.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 12:52 pm to Freauxzen
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Not that Gronk won't produce, or not that Gronk won't be the #1 tight end, both of those are probable ends. But I'd rather the #1 or #2 at RB/WR/QB than I would the #1 at TE.
If Gronk puts up WR1 numbers, why does it matter which position the points comes from?
Id rather the #1 WR or #1 RB too, but im not saying to pick him over those guys. Even so, you can't really identify that player anyway.
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Being competitive in FF is all about mitigating risk in averaging the highest ceiling and having the highest floor in Points Per Week. Statistics don't play out in a TE's favor in that scenario.
Imagine being able to stick a WR1 in your TE slot, and still draft 2 other WRs with potential to be WR1. That is the allure.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 12:54 pm to Lester Earl
Or he could get an actual (not potential) WR1 in the first and then Gronk later. I don't see the need to pick him in the first round.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 12:55 pm to Goldrush25
or he could take Gronk in the 1st and an actual WR in the 2nd. 
With that being said, if you take Gronk you will see the benefits in the middle rounds. If you're a good drafter and hit on that 2nd WR or flex player(or both, ideally), all while having a WR1 in your TE slot.
With that being said, if you take Gronk you will see the benefits in the middle rounds. If you're a good drafter and hit on that 2nd WR or flex player(or both, ideally), all while having a WR1 in your TE slot.
This post was edited on 8/20/15 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 8/20/15 at 1:02 pm to Goldrush25
I know the 2 guys picking after me well....been in this league for 9 years now. One of them WILL take Gronk in the 9/10 spot.
I guess I should have said that from the start. There is a slight chance however, that one of the 2 QBs makes it back to me.
Fromm all the disagreement, I can see I am right that I keep going back and fourth with this thought process.
To the people who think it's practically insane, I don't think you are paying attention to real value and just going by your mock drafts on some doppy website.
I guess I should have said that from the start. There is a slight chance however, that one of the 2 QBs makes it back to me.
Fromm all the disagreement, I can see I am right that I keep going back and fourth with this thought process.
To the people who think it's practically insane, I don't think you are paying attention to real value and just going by your mock drafts on some doppy website.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 1:07 pm to Peazey
I prefer the top RBs over Gronk, I prefer te top WRs over Gronk. Pretty simple.
Gronk isn't a safe pick, it's just a fact. I say he ends up missing games this year.
Gronk isn't a safe pick, it's just a fact. I say he ends up missing games this year.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 1:12 pm to CocoLoco
what RBs are safe at the end of the 1st?
what makes Calvin Johsnon or Julio Jones any safer?
what makes Calvin Johsnon or Julio Jones any safer?
Posted on 8/20/15 at 1:13 pm to Lester Earl
I get that, I just don't like the risks. If I have to choose between a Dez/DT/Brown/Julio or Gronk I'm taking one of those receivers, no question. Julio is a risk similar to Gronk, but with more upside, especially in PPR. I'll avoid Gronk in the first. Second round and I'll consider it based on who is there.
Brady missing 4 games
Injury prone TE
- I'll let that be someone else's headache
Brady missing 4 games
Injury prone TE
- I'll let that be someone else's headache
Posted on 8/20/15 at 1:15 pm to Abikaasa_Posti_Teel
2014 stats
D. Thomas 1,619 yards 11 TDs
A. Luck 4761 yards 40 TDs
Those would be my first two picks.
D. Thomas 1,619 yards 11 TDs
A. Luck 4761 yards 40 TDs
Those would be my first two picks.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 1:19 pm to CocoLoco
i like those WRs too over him, but im taking them after the top 5 RBs are off the board.
really depends on how the draft is going, but Gronk should go somewhere between 9 and 12-13
really depends on how the draft is going, but Gronk should go somewhere between 9 and 12-13
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