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re: Official Fantastic Four Review/RT 9%(SPOILERS!!!)-(by Fox)
Posted on 8/6/15 at 11:10 pm to Breesus
Posted on 8/6/15 at 11:10 pm to Breesus
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Dr. Doom is possibly the greatest comic book villain ever, so i guess what im saying is eat shite.
I love Vic but that just ain't true. His own probably descendant, Kang, is a much greater comic book villain (or a hero looked at in some ways).
Posted on 8/7/15 at 1:35 am to Fewer Kilometers
So it doesn't sound like this is the worst movie ever. There's just no real way this could be as bad as Catwoman; I think it's fashionable to hate this movie more than it warrants.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 8:41 am to biglego
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So it doesn't sound like this is the worst movie ever. There's just no real way this could be as bad as Catwoman; I think it's fashionable to hate this movie more than it warrants.
If a movie isn't a complete movie, it's pretty terrible. Catwoman was terrible,Elektra was terrible.
The Tim Story films,campy as shite as they were, are more watchable than this.(-and I loathe the Story films)
Posted on 8/7/15 at 8:48 am to biglego
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I think it's fashionable to hate this movie more than it warrants.
Well, super hero fatigue is very real, particularly in the critic community which has a tendency to look down on comic books. They finally have a bad to mediocre movie in which to savage the entire genre. You could tell with the Ant-Man reviews, critics were just looking for the chance to write their too many super hero review.
Fantastic Four is finally a film bad enough to justify all of those words a critic has been saving for months, but unable to unleash on what turned out to be pretty good movies.
There's also the element that the "geek community" won't prop up this film, as they are largely rooting for it to fail so the characters revert to Marvel. So it has no "base" to goose the positive review counter.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 8:56 am to Baloo
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There's also the element that the "geek community" won't prop up this film, as they are largely rooting for it to fail so the characters revert to Marvel. So it has no "base" to goose the positive review counter.
There is some to a degree, but the way I see it-the F4/The Watcher/Doom/Silver Surfer/Future Foundation IP is pretty solid with ripe stories.
Roger Corman made a movie in the 90s to hold onto the rights.
Fox after two failed movies has made another that the studio they had (alledgelly) Matthew Vaughn and Simon Kimberg ghost direct this movie and rumors were abound that they were editing the mess that Trank left(who was hired because Chronicle was made for very few dollars) as late as last week
There probably was no third act in the original cut, or Trank went off the rails with it.
Fox also slashed the budget before the movie started.
This was a rights grab.
The IP, any IP deserves better than a studio just pumping crap to keep it away from another studio.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 8:57 am to biglego
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it's fashionable to hate this movie more than it warrants.
From the reviews I've read it seems like Trank made a unique and novel take on a superhero movie that for the most part worked as a cool scifi adventure. The problem is instead of making this as an original movie he tried to jam elements of the fantastic four into it so that fox wouldn't lose the rights.
That sucks because no only did we miss out on a cool original new superhero franchise, but fox also further fricked up the FF universe.
If I made a movie called Superman about an Ethiopian immigrant adopted by a Mexican family who is struck by a bolt of lightening and gains powers that he has to use to fight a janitor named Lex Luther who got his powers from a radioactive toilet, people would hate the movie.
If I made the same movie but called it Alien Hero and changed their names, people might not hate it so much.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 9:04 am to Breesus
Grantland review
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The entire experience is shameful — for us, for the filmmakers, for whoever at the studio had the job of creating the ads, in which the cast appear to be starring in hostage posters.
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The movie is all “why?” Why do these actors look drugged? Why is one big collection of set pieces staged in front of that boreal screensaver? Why is the other collection set in Ye Olde Science Lab? Why when Reed Richards stretches his arms and legs do they look like somebody overcooked the linguine? Why would anybody paying to see a 100-minute movie about superheroes want to spend more than an hour watching them become those superheroes when most of the same audience watched a version of the same story 10 years ago? (We just finished shrugging off another rebooting of Spider-Man!) Why hire Jamie Bell for three scenes, then turn him into a mound of steroidal debris? Why do the makers of our comic-book movies keep insisting upon the same government-soaked, anticapitalist plot?
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There’s a bar for the superhero adventures, and this one falls so far short of it that close study is warranted, hopefully by scientists played with more conviction that Teller and Mara. I’ve never seen good young actors this stuck. During one “climactic” scene, Mara has to bang away on a keyboard to make something crucial happen, and as I watched her slap away in a rendition of despair, I wondered how many takes it took to get that moment so wrong.
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Reg E. Cathey has a great smoker’s intonation that’s used to remind his black biological son, Johnny, that he’s never had it as easy as his adopted white daughter, Sue, even though he’s the brilliant bad-boy child of a well-compensated scientist who apparently has let him spend his nights combing the streets in a fast car looking for the casting director of the Fast & Furious series.
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Trank made Chronicle, a found-footage, non-comic-book superpowers movie that is generally regarded (by myself included) as innovative, at least as a movie about so-called origin stories. That was his first movie. It was largely independent, and, setting aside reports of his own errant behavior on the set for this second effort, it’s a giant studio contraption that appears to have crushed his imagination
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At every stage of Fantastic Four, you’re never watching this thing as a movie, per se, but as a dire, cautionary X-ray of one.
This post was edited on 8/7/15 at 9:06 am
Posted on 8/7/15 at 9:35 am to Breesus
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If I made a movie called Superman about an Ethiopian immigrant adopted by a Mexican family who is struck by a bolt of lightening and gains powers that he has to use to fight a janitor named Lex Luther who got his powers from a radioactive toilet, people would hate the movie.
FF isn't that far off from the original concept.
The problems began when they hired Trank based on his doing a realistic take on superheroes and then expected him to the usual comic book to film version. I can't put all of the blame on Fox because Disney had the same idea and hired him for Star Wars. Gunn went from Super to Guardians, so it's a process that can work. But Trank isn't Gunn and he didn't make the jump from indie to blockbuster.
It's similar to what happened with Marvel and Edgar Wright, only they were able to see the differing visions for the product and part ways prior to production. Whoever was monitoring Trank for Fox should've raised a red flag once the final script was handed in.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 10:36 am to Fewer Kilometers
And I look forward to the documentary that will be released in ten years where they interview the cast and crew on "The Making of the Not-So-Fantastic Four" and they give their honest recollections.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 1:03 pm to Fewer Kilometers
They're predicting that it'll make about 45million this weekend. That's pretty decent to me, considering how much this film is being lit up by critics everywhere.
Posted on 8/8/15 at 4:58 am to RLDSC FAN
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They're predicting that it'll make about 45million this weekend.
Not anymore. Deadline Hollywood is now saying this film is flopping and flopping hard. It looks like it might open in an area less than $30 million. If that is true, Mission Impossible 5 might beat it to the #1 spot this weekend.
Posted on 8/8/15 at 8:00 am to RollTide1987
However good or bad it is Kate Mara as a blonde is an abomination.
It is so hard to pull off looking good as a redhead and then to waste that to look like every other whore who wants to be famous is a sin.
I dunno what her real hair color is, probably mousy brown, but she looks good as a fricking redhead.
This just in - apparently it is a wig. Thank God, maybe she can save her career and continue being hot in things.
It is so hard to pull off looking good as a redhead and then to waste that to look like every other whore who wants to be famous is a sin.
I dunno what her real hair color is, probably mousy brown, but she looks good as a fricking redhead.
This just in - apparently it is a wig. Thank God, maybe she can save her career and continue being hot in things.
Posted on 8/8/15 at 8:02 am to gthog61
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This just in - apparently it is a wig
Is it even possible not to know this, or is this sarcasm?
Posted on 8/8/15 at 1:51 pm to Breesus
lowest rated marvel movie ever
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Elektra (2005) – 10% on Rotten Tomatoes
Howard The Duck (1986) – 14% on Rotten Tomatoes
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance (2012) – 17% on Rotten Tomatoes
Blade: Trinity (2004) – 25% on Rotten Tomatoes
Ghost Rider (2007) – 26% on Rotten Tomatoes
Punisher: War Zone (2008) – 27% on Rotten Tomatoes
Fantastic Four (2005) – 27% on Rotten Tomatoes
The Punisher (1989) – 28% on Rotten Tomatoes
The Punisher (2004) – 29% on Rotten Tomatoes
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007) – 37% on Rotten Tomatoes
Posted on 8/8/15 at 1:54 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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And I look forward to the documentary that will be released in ten years where they interview the cast and crew on "The Making of the Not-So-Fantastic Four" and they give their honest recollections.
We agree...but I heard what a terrible experience it was fro m one prominent crew member last year. Someone who has pretty impressive IMDB resume.
This movie,the entire movie-was a dumpster fire.
Posted on 8/8/15 at 2:57 pm to RonBurgundy
yea there seems to be a lot of finger pointing from both sides.
on Trank's end there are people saying the studio was interfering from the start w/script changes while on Fox's end they are pointing him to acting like a crazy person off and on set which led to them having to essentially take over.
What's crazy is a lot of this wouldn't be getting blasted in the more legitimate entertainment media outlets right now had Trank not essentially confirmed all the rumors with his quickly deleted tweet about the movie not being what he wanted.
up until then they were still doing the united front of "all those rumors are BS and exaggerated" but w/him publicly disowning the movie it seems like Fox is fine with leaking out that he was a nutter.
EW has a pretty interesting rundown of the situation
LINK
on Trank's end there are people saying the studio was interfering from the start w/script changes while on Fox's end they are pointing him to acting like a crazy person off and on set which led to them having to essentially take over.
What's crazy is a lot of this wouldn't be getting blasted in the more legitimate entertainment media outlets right now had Trank not essentially confirmed all the rumors with his quickly deleted tweet about the movie not being what he wanted.
up until then they were still doing the united front of "all those rumors are BS and exaggerated" but w/him publicly disowning the movie it seems like Fox is fine with leaking out that he was a nutter.
EW has a pretty interesting rundown of the situation
LINK
This post was edited on 8/8/15 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 8/8/15 at 6:01 pm to Methuselah
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Dr. Doom is possibly the greatest comic book villain ever, so i guess what im saying is eat shite.
I love Vic but that just ain't true. His own probably descendant, Kang, is a much greater comic book villain (or a hero looked at in some ways).
No dude, he's right...eat shite.
Posted on 8/8/15 at 6:37 pm to Breesus
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Is it even possible not to know this, or is this sarcasm?
I really didn't read or hear anything about the movie before today, not like it has been a cultural phenomenon that you can't avoid.
I that the movie was alright compared to my expectations, just wanted to sit somewhere comfortable out of the heat for a couple of hours.
Posted on 8/8/15 at 7:04 pm to gthog61
if your baseline was will I be more comfortable than standing out in the sun or watching this movie then I guess it didn't disappoint.
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