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re: Honore: America's in denial about gun culture

Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:16 pm to
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:16 pm to
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And I'm not necessarily a proponent but nothing else is going to work.


He has trouble making a very important distinction here - none of the psychotic mass shooters fit anywhere in general firearms culture. They simply get one no matter the cost (one killed his mother, this guy passed a background check, so did the Aurora shooter).

None of these individuals were regular shooters. None of these individuals had concealed carry permits (this guy was even denied). None of these guys show any signs of sanity.

The gun "problem", as one poster put it, is in the inter cities. They rack up insanely high body counts. Most of these individuals are repeat offenders and gang members. They pad the statistics to make it seem like the rise in gun ownership and gun carriage is the problem. But is it?

America is more heavily armed and more legally able to carry in public than ever before. Despite this fact, the violent crime rate has steadily declined since 1992. It is actually 50% lower than it was in 1992. This does not necessarily prove that "more guns equals less crime" but it does disprove that "more guns equals more crime."

Read about the city of Kennesaw, Georgia. It enjoys one of the lowest crime rates in the country due to a mandate written years ago that said that every household must have at least one gun. They wrote this law to respond to a crime problem and saw an 89% decrease in violent crime the following year.

There also has to be a distinction between mass shootings and violent attacks. Violent attacks are usually perpetrated by multiple attackers on one lone person. They are violent and end quickly. Mass shootings are shown to be in higher income, lower crime areas (hence the increased media coverage). Mass shootings are also quite rare in the grand scheme of crimes. They are somewhat unpredictable but all follow the theme of being in a place where they are almost guaranteed to not have armed victims shooting back.

Psychotic mass killers know this - go for the weakest you can and rack up a high body count. Most of them off themselves at the slightest sign of resistance. They are ultimately cowards.

I wish these articles would report all the facts. Gun culture is not the problem here. The increased number of firearms since Obama has been in office has not been the problem. Most of these shooters have gotten their guns by legal means. Background checks don't always work because they are still run by humans, and humans are fallible creatures.

You don't prevent the lion from attacking the gazelle by removing the gazelle's horns.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:23 pm to
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You don't prevent the lion from attacking the gazelle by removing the gazelle's horns.


I don't disagree with anything you wrote. And what you wrote illustrates how gun laws don't work.

No idea when but there will be a tipping point, your right to own firearms privately versus what people see as a "remedy" to mass shootings.
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
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Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:23 pm to
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Posted by Dan Bilzerian
..on my yacht or jet.
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 7/28/15 at 5:30 pm to
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