re: Avenger: AoU Reviews (**MAJOR SPOILERS**)

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A lot of back and forth going on in this thread and still not one decent explanation how Ultron was created in the first place.

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Go back 2 or 3 pages.


Here it goes,

Hydra knew there was what they, and stark later, thought was an AI in the scepter. We know this because they were building robots. When the Avengers attacked, Stark went alone to get the scepter. While in there the SW induced a vision which she was able to see. Knowing his fear and helplessness was so strong. She knew the scepter could control him. She knew what the scepter really was because later on she is able to recognize, and neutralize its power. She knew he would do what it wanted him to do, which would destroy him, which was her goal. What she didn't realize was that it's final goal was what Thanos ordered, to destroy the earth and return the mind stone.

Stark, under the influence of the "AI" via the mind stone takes it back to his lab. While there he convinces Banner, with the help of the "Ai's" influence, to create Ultron with him. Unbeknownst to them, the AI then used their tech to download a copy of itself into the system. Problem is the copy was influenced by Jarvis and Stark's personality through the information fed it upon creation. Changing what it was intended to do. Destroy the world, bring back mind stone. Ultron was born from this.

Ultron tried to create Vision because he needed the body to use the mind stone. The only way he could have known the stone was there was if he was a copy of the "AI". Not even Thor knew it was in the scepter.

Also, it wasn't actually an "AI". Stark and Banner thought it was because they couldn't have recognized what it really was. Also, computer programs are inherently ordered. Look at the 3D image of Jarvis. It was spherical. The "AI" from the scepter was amoeba like. It wasnt artificial. It was a being's consciousness. Which is why Ultron only being a copy of it, couldn't control the mind stone without the Vision body.