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re: Louisiana Purchase Cypress Legacy trees - Anybody seen one?
Posted on 4/17/15 at 12:26 pm to tenfoe
Posted on 4/17/15 at 12:26 pm to tenfoe
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If someone had not told me in confidence I'd be willing to openly share. You can't get to it unless the river is high anyway.
Oh that's totally cool. I don't wanna spill y'all's beans or anything.
I'd love to someday go see all of them. The GPS coordinates are logged for the ones marked, and I'd totally buy a coffee table book with pictures of these trees.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 12:28 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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List is not legit without the Champion Bald Cypress located in Cat Island
I wonder if it's omitted for any reason? Or if we could get it added?
Posted on 4/17/15 at 12:46 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
quote:Agreed
List is not legit without the Champion Bald Cypress located in Cat Island.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:34 pm to npersa1
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TigerDeacon — What do you mean “for now?” Do you know of plans to cut down a 200+ year old cypress (cause that’d be a real shame, imho)?
Push poles and light bars don't buy themselves.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:53 pm to npersa1
quote:Maybe try asking it?
I imagine there's gotta be a better way to determine the tree's age than counting rings
You really can't know because of the spacing of the rings due to seasons. They all grow at different rates because of weather/soil conditions, so you can't go on size either. Like I said before, I've seen 100+ year old cypress trees that are only 20ft tall
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:19 pm to npersa1
Cool thread.
I bet there are some really old ones in Caddo Lake, there is so much of that lake (mostly Texas side) that is completely inaccessible, which leads to really old trees.
I bet there are some really old ones in Caddo Lake, there is so much of that lake (mostly Texas side) that is completely inaccessible, which leads to really old trees.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:22 pm to Hammertime
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I've seen 100+ year old cypress trees that are only 20ft tall
If I was a tree, id be that one
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:35 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
I have seen some monster cypress trees in Concordia parish bordering three rivers WMA. The damn knees where as tall as a man. Biggest one had a hole in the middle which is probably why it was still there.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:36 pm to Hammertime
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Like I said before, I've seen 100+ year old cypress trees that are only 20ft tall
In south Alabama there was a huge live oak that the local government wanted to protect because it had to be 200 years old or more. The land owner got pissed and ringed it with a chainsaw. He got into trouble but when they finally cut it down and looked at the rings it was only about 80 years old. Must have grown up in an open field.
:csb:
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:42 pm to nes2010
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Most people have no idea how
Government loves to protect things they don't own. I'm all for conservation, but the gubmit needs to put up or shut up when it comes to private property rights. If they want to protect something the land owner needs to be fairly compensated. I deal with this stuff al the time, Louisiana pine snake, long eared bat, red cockaded woodpecker, etc... Yes I'm mad.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 3:09 pm to nes2010
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In south Alabama
Alabama knows a lot about killing trees.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 3:10 pm to Hammertime
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Maybe try asking it?
I'd love to hear the stories these trees could tell if they could talk.
How accurate do you think the ring counting method is? Like, not-at-all accurate, or good-enough-for-a-ballpark-guess accurate?
Does the core sample hurt the tree at all? Or is there a level of risk that would deter the scientist from sampling it like that? I assume it's probably a relatively expensive test too.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 3:21 pm to Palo Gaucho
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I bet there are some really old ones in Caddo Lake, there is so much of that lake (mostly Texas side) that is completely inaccessible, which leads to really old trees.
What makes it inaccessible (I don't know the are at all)? Low water or swampy land?
I still need to go see the Seven Sisters Oak.
And, if y'all're into tree stuff, read up on Methuselah. I wish I could find that sucker.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 3:44 pm to npersa1
Pretty accurate when someone knows what they're doing. Obviously your error will get larger the more rings, but it is probably accurate to 1% in skilled hands. If some yahoo just cuts a tree down and doesn't know what he's looking at, he'll get it wrong 90% of the time. You can't just look at them and start counting. There could be years with extremely slow growth and the rings are close. Baldcypress usually has false rings also that are caused by short term weather events (a couple of weeks to a month), and not growing seasons.
It doesn't hurt the tree at all.
The only thing that is a PITA is labor involved. It only takes one or two people, but it isn't easy. Cost is free if you have a $100 core sampler and a powerful microscope
It doesn't hurt the tree at all.
The only thing that is a PITA is labor involved. It only takes one or two people, but it isn't easy. Cost is free if you have a $100 core sampler and a powerful microscope
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 4/17/15 at 3:50 pm to npersa1
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What makes it inaccessible
The stand density is extremely high, you can't get a boat, pirogue, etc... into a lot of these areas just because of how thick the timber is. You've also got to contend with massive amounts of aquatic vegetation (lily pads, hyacinth, slavinia, hydrilla, etc...).
Posted on 4/17/15 at 4:10 pm to Palo Gaucho
You can carbon date a tree. The center of all trees are dead, only the cambium layer/very outer edge of a tree is alive. The oldest one I harvested was dated at around 1000 years old. Not sure how accurate that is, though.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 4:19 pm to Hammertime
Well that’s pretty cool, Hammertime. Thanks for filling me in.
Does that seem like the kinda thing citizens could help with? Like could I be (somewhat easily) trained to take the sample, and then if I’m willing to deal with getting to tree, collect a sample for better minds to test? Or is that a pretty unrealistic idea?
And Palo Guacho — I don’t know jack about trekking through the swamps, but it seems like it’d be rough, haha. I’d love to expedition style trek to find some bad arse tree though.
Does that seem like the kinda thing citizens could help with? Like could I be (somewhat easily) trained to take the sample, and then if I’m willing to deal with getting to tree, collect a sample for better minds to test? Or is that a pretty unrealistic idea?
And Palo Guacho — I don’t know jack about trekking through the swamps, but it seems like it’d be rough, haha. I’d love to expedition style trek to find some bad arse tree though.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 4:53 pm to npersa1
For a legit kit, it gets expensive $400-1000. I don't see why you couldn't go out and do it, unless you can't do the walking and twisting the t-handle. Another thing is that the bores snap a lot if you aren't careful.
I wouldn't go walking through the swamp unless you were in good shape or knew how to walk through a swamp. From your level on knowledge, I can unequivocally say don't go out in a swamp by yourself. It is very easy to get lost and exhausted
I wouldn't go walking through the swamp unless you were in good shape or knew how to walk through a swamp. From your level on knowledge, I can unequivocally say don't go out in a swamp by yourself. It is very easy to get lost and exhausted
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:17 pm to AlxTgr
There are several. I can put you on them, and may have already.
I saw the OP's tree on my recent Wild Azalea trip.
That one by my deerslaying spot in BCNWR is way over 200 yrs.
I saw the OP's tree on my recent Wild Azalea trip.
That one by my deerslaying spot in BCNWR is way over 200 yrs.
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:19 pm to Hammertime
haha I definitely won't be doing that.
But, that is the kinda thing I'd love to go do with someone who knows what they're doing and can show me the ropes.
Now, what real value is there in knowing the age of the trees is a whole different conversation. It's just interesting to me and seems like it could be a fun thing to do on weekends (but not something I'd want to do day-in, day-out for a living).
I feel like it's such a shame I don't have that swamp trekking experience. I've done plenty of alpine climbing and backpacked 1,100 contiguous miles out west, I really need to delve into some Louisiana adventures. Right now, I'm eyeing the Lone Star Trail for Memorial Day, but it's only 100 miles and I'm not expecting the coolest of scenery.
If the Boy Scouts ever open up their resources to the public for the Swamp Base in the Atchafalaya, I'd love to camp at their spots while kayaking.
My other back-burner idea is a hike on the levee from Natchez to New Orleans, somewhat following in the footsteps of one of my ancestors who made a made of the river and the lining plantations in the 1850s. That'd be more of a personally rewarding kinda thing.
I'd love to make the jump to expedition style treks, but that's just so much planning, time off and money that I don't think it's realistic at this point. I guess there's just something more alluring to me (perhaps as a Louisianan) about doing that kinda thing in the swamps than the mountains.
But, that is the kinda thing I'd love to go do with someone who knows what they're doing and can show me the ropes.
Now, what real value is there in knowing the age of the trees is a whole different conversation. It's just interesting to me and seems like it could be a fun thing to do on weekends (but not something I'd want to do day-in, day-out for a living).
I feel like it's such a shame I don't have that swamp trekking experience. I've done plenty of alpine climbing and backpacked 1,100 contiguous miles out west, I really need to delve into some Louisiana adventures. Right now, I'm eyeing the Lone Star Trail for Memorial Day, but it's only 100 miles and I'm not expecting the coolest of scenery.
If the Boy Scouts ever open up their resources to the public for the Swamp Base in the Atchafalaya, I'd love to camp at their spots while kayaking.
My other back-burner idea is a hike on the levee from Natchez to New Orleans, somewhat following in the footsteps of one of my ancestors who made a made of the river and the lining plantations in the 1850s. That'd be more of a personally rewarding kinda thing.
I'd love to make the jump to expedition style treks, but that's just so much planning, time off and money that I don't think it's realistic at this point. I guess there's just something more alluring to me (perhaps as a Louisianan) about doing that kinda thing in the swamps than the mountains.
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