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re: Kurt Cobain - Montage of Heck

Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:34 pm to
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:34 pm to
They were a lot bigger than Pearl Jam, Jesus dude.

You have to remember that when Nevermind came out hair bands were still dominating MTV and the radio. Nirvana ushered in the popularity of other "grunge" bands, including Pearl Jam.
Posted by northshorebamaman
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:38 pm to
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I vividly remember Nirvana blowing up. They were big but no bigger than Pearl Jam and a few others. GnR was still freaking huge. You could hear Courtney Love's jealousy in the home movies. How many times did she reference GnR? About that same time frame Green Day was blowing up too. There was a lot going on in the early 90's, it wasn't just a Nirvana only scene.

That differs from my vivid memories. They were bigger than Pearl Jam and after Nevermind they were bigger than GnR. Kurt Cobain might be the largest single influence on 90's pop culture. They also had a beef with Axl over a backstage incident at the VMA's (which was the result of Nirvana declining to open for them on tour).
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 10:57 pm
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:38 pm to
In utero is horrible crap. The lyrics are lazy and most every track is just formulaic noise outside of penny royal tea which really isn't a good song.

Heart shape box had the trademark sing along hook but it didn't have real grounding.

Neverending and bleach are far far better albums.
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:43 pm to
I agree, I never really liked In Utero. Bleach is my favorite Nirvana Album, Nevermind was great too.

Come As You Are has always been my least favorite song on Nevermind, sucks that it's the one that gets played the most on the radio.
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 10:45 pm
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:44 pm to
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That differs from my vivid memories. They were bigger than Pearl Jam and after Nevermind they were bigger than GnR. Kurt Cobain might be the largest single influence on 90's pop culture.


Same.
Posted by Kayhill Brown
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:46 pm to
In Utero is better than Nevermind in my opinion. I prefer the production and the songs. Nevermind is way more "formulaic".

I really liked the documentary and the home movies didn't bother me at all. I didn't think they seemed really strung out or anything (aside from that clip of kurt holding frances).
Posted by northshorebamaman
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:55 pm to
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In Utero is better than Nevermind in my opinion. I prefer the production and the songs. Nevermind is way more "formulaic"

I've always agreed with Kurt that Nevermind is a bit too poppy and 'Pixie-esque'. I love that album, and the Pixies, but In Utero is my favorite.

:subtlebrag: I was at this show:
LINK

12/31/93. Butthole Surfers opened and Bobcat Goldwaith MC'd. Great show.
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 11:05 pm
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:55 pm to
There is a home movie clip where one of them is holding Frances and you can see needles in the frame, not sure if they used it in this Documentary or not, I'm sure they did, but that one is really screwed up.
Posted by Kayhill Brown
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:00 pm to
Yikes.
Posted by Speedy G
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:52 pm to
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They were a lot bigger than Pearl Jam

Vs. sold 950,000 copies its first week (more than the rest of the top 10 combined). That record stood for five years.

In Utero, released a month earlier, sold 180,000 its first week.
Posted by JBeam
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Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:08 am to
I felt really uncomfortable watching them hold Frances. I would love to know what her relationship with Courtney Love is like. I can't see it being very stable. But who knows.

Overall, I thought that this was very interesting documentary. Kurt was definitely a very conflicted dude and it was interesting to see his POV of the world growing up. I was way too young to remember the rise of Nirvana. But do remember MTV replaying their acoustic session a number of years ago.

Correct me if I'm wrong. But did Kurt hate the song "Smells like another teen spirit"?
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:14 am to
Who cares about the first week? Vs sold 6 million copies altogether, which is even less than Ten sold at 10 million.


Going by worldwide sales Nevermind sold 30 million copies which is more than Ten (17 Million) and Vs (10 million) combined.

Nirvana Unplugged in New York has sold 25, Million copies world wide, which again is almost double what Vs and Ten sold combined.




This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 12:18 am
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:16 am to
Nirvana killed off GnR and ushered in the grunge scene.

In Utero is a great fricking album too.
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 12:17 am
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:20 am to
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You could hear Courtney Love's jealousy in the home movies.


That wasn't jealousy, that was mocking. They destroyed GnR and that following and knew it. Out with the hair bands and in with Seattle grunge.
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 12:21 am
Posted by nateslu1
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Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:21 am to
Nirvana is the 90's band
Posted by northshorebamaman
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Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:35 am to
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Correct me if I'm wrong. But did Kurt hate the song "Smells like another teen spirit"?

If you mean "Smells Like Teen Spirit", yes, Kurt eventually hated that song, and would refuse to play it in concert.
Posted by nateslu1
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Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:38 am to
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In utero is horrible crap.


Seriously...Heart Shaped Box? GTFOOH
Posted by CocoLoco
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Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:42 am to
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Was gonna post the trailer on the music board a couple days ago, but they shite on Cobain pretty hard over there so I said fck it





I only shite on Cobain as far as being mentioned as one of the most influential guitarists. I see him in a lot of those "Greatest Guitarists of All Time" lists. As a front man and what he did for the rock scene I have no problem with him being mentioned as one of the greats, because I agree with that based on the criteria. But as a guitarist (especially with me being one) I don't think he belongs in any of those guitar-specific lists. Nirvana isn't one of my favorites today, but they were one of the first rock bands I liked as a kid, and I recognize the influence they had as a band, with the grunge and angst. I'll definitely watch this film.
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 12:52 am
Posted by Walt OReilly
Poplarville, MS
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:43 am to
Could of gone without seeing Loves tits

What a disgusting human being.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:53 am to
Truer words never been said before Walt


That MTV unplugged set is still one of the greatest and creepiest performances ever.


Really disappointed in the whole "oh by the way he killed himself" ending
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