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The Myth that LSU Cannot Develop QBs
Posted on 2/17/15 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 2/17/15 at 2:07 pm
Everyone pretty much agrees that Shea Patterson committed to Ole Miss today as part of a package deal to further his brother's coaching career. Apologists for the Pattersons have justified this saying that outside of 2013, LSU has not developed QBs. First of all, let me acknowledge that the QB spot was lousy this year. Anthony Jennings is overwhelmed at the spot and Brandon Harris did not get himself prepared to assume the position. Sure, Cam Cameron deserves some of the blame, particularly with Harris. But the idea that Cameron cannot develop QBs (Brees, Flacco, Mettenberger) is silly. But here's a list of the starting QBs of the Les Miles era and a comparison with Ole Miss. I think it's rather obvious that LSU has a far better track record than Ole Miss in the QB development department:
2014 - Anthony Jennings
2013 - Zach Mettenberger - Drafted by Tennesee; current NFL starter
2012 - Zach Mettenberger - Drafted by Tennesee; current NFL starter
2011 - Jordan Jefferson/Jarrett Lee - Lee signed as an undrafted free agent with the Chargers; released after training camp
2010 - Jordan Jefferson
2009 - Jordan Jefferson
2008 - Jarrett Lee/Andrew Hatch
2007 - Matt Flynn - Drafted by Green Bay; current backup to Aaron Rodgers
2006 - JaMarcus Russell - Drafted first overall by Oakland; NFL washout
2005 - JaMarcus Russell - Drafted first overall by Oakland; NFL washout
Of the 7 QBs to play for LSU over the past decade, three drafted and all were NFL starters
Ole Miss:
2014 - Bo Wallace
2013 - Bo Wallace
2012 - Bo Wallace
2011 - Randall Mackey/Zach Stoudt/Barry Brunetti
2010 - Jeremiah Masoli - signed as an undrafted free agent with the 49ers; released after training camp
2009 - Jevan Snead - signed as an undrafted free agent with the Bucs; released after training camp; resigned mid-season as backup; released after season
2008 - Jevan Snead - signed as an undrafted free agent with the Bucs; released after training camp; resigned mid-season as backup; released after season
2007 - Brent Schaeffer/Seth Adams
2006 - Brent Schaeffer
2005 - Michael Spurlock/Ethan Flatt
That's 10 QBs in 10 years. None drafted. Let's be charitable and say Wallace is drafted in the late rounds. He would be the first drafted Ole Miss QB in over a decade.
LSU may have had some duds over the past decade, but we've had some pretty good QBs too. I trust that 2014 was an aberration with Cameron and that we will see a much better product with Brandon Harris in 2015.
Anyway, there is no way anyone can credibly say that QB development led Patterson to Oxford.
2014 - Anthony Jennings
2013 - Zach Mettenberger - Drafted by Tennesee; current NFL starter
2012 - Zach Mettenberger - Drafted by Tennesee; current NFL starter
2011 - Jordan Jefferson/Jarrett Lee - Lee signed as an undrafted free agent with the Chargers; released after training camp
2010 - Jordan Jefferson
2009 - Jordan Jefferson
2008 - Jarrett Lee/Andrew Hatch
2007 - Matt Flynn - Drafted by Green Bay; current backup to Aaron Rodgers
2006 - JaMarcus Russell - Drafted first overall by Oakland; NFL washout
2005 - JaMarcus Russell - Drafted first overall by Oakland; NFL washout
Of the 7 QBs to play for LSU over the past decade, three drafted and all were NFL starters
Ole Miss:
2014 - Bo Wallace
2013 - Bo Wallace
2012 - Bo Wallace
2011 - Randall Mackey/Zach Stoudt/Barry Brunetti
2010 - Jeremiah Masoli - signed as an undrafted free agent with the 49ers; released after training camp
2009 - Jevan Snead - signed as an undrafted free agent with the Bucs; released after training camp; resigned mid-season as backup; released after season
2008 - Jevan Snead - signed as an undrafted free agent with the Bucs; released after training camp; resigned mid-season as backup; released after season
2007 - Brent Schaeffer/Seth Adams
2006 - Brent Schaeffer
2005 - Michael Spurlock/Ethan Flatt
That's 10 QBs in 10 years. None drafted. Let's be charitable and say Wallace is drafted in the late rounds. He would be the first drafted Ole Miss QB in over a decade.
LSU may have had some duds over the past decade, but we've had some pretty good QBs too. I trust that 2014 was an aberration with Cameron and that we will see a much better product with Brandon Harris in 2015.
Anyway, there is no way anyone can credibly say that QB development led Patterson to Oxford.
This post was edited on 2/17/15 at 2:10 pm
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Posted on 2/17/15 at 2:10 pm to Mike Linebacker
"Myth"; dr...it ain't a myth.
This post was edited on 2/17/15 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 2/17/15 at 2:10 pm to Mike Linebacker
no one is worried about the 3 or 4 coaches that Ole Miss has had in that span and how they developed QBs.
We know for sure that Les Miles cannot...period...save Mett who well, was developed as much as he was going to be when he got here.
We know for sure that Les Miles cannot...period...save Mett who well, was developed as much as he was going to be when he got here.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 2:25 pm to Mike Linebacker
Jordan Jefferson made the 53-man roster for Tampa, FWIW.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 2:25 pm to Mike Linebacker
Compare the stats of those QBs to ours...
Posted on 2/17/15 at 2:28 pm to Mike Linebacker
2008-2011 may be the worst timed QB drought in the history of cfb we may have won the tatty twice
Posted on 2/17/15 at 3:05 pm to Mike Linebacker
Mett I would not be considered "developed" under Cameron
neither would I consider Russell
"developed" under current regimen...
Flynn is about the only one they get credit for and the rest are crap
neither would I consider Russell
"developed" under current regimen...
Flynn is about the only one they get credit for and the rest are crap
Posted on 2/17/15 at 3:49 pm to Mike Linebacker
Well thought out and written post.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 3:51 pm to Mike Linebacker
It's pretty shitty when we have to resort to comparing against Ole Miss.
We haven't developed a qb in a very very long time except a senior who had transferred and been in the system 2 years prior finally had 1 breakout season.
We haven't developed a qb in a very very long time except a senior who had transferred and been in the system 2 years prior finally had 1 breakout season.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 4:39 pm to Mike Linebacker
From 2008 to the present, there has one bright spot. 2013. That's it.
your argument is weak.......i couldn't care less about Ole Miss and what the hell does that have to do with LSUs issues?
your argument is weak.......i couldn't care less about Ole Miss and what the hell does that have to do with LSUs issues?
Posted on 2/17/15 at 5:26 pm to Mike Linebacker
The title of this thread is a myth
Posted on 2/17/15 at 6:37 pm to Mike Linebacker
The question you should be asking is: Can LSU develop protection for that QB..
Posted on 2/17/15 at 7:43 pm to Mike Linebacker
Not one of those QBs for LSU was a superstar. Flynn, Mettenberger, and Russell were the best of that group. One won a championship. Mettenberger was good enough to win a title but the defense was lackluster in 2013 and 2012 coaching failed like they usually do. An average QB and LSU wins in 2011. That was the only missing piece that year. Hell, they won 13 games with no QB. Jordan Jefferson was a bum and was never going to amount to anything. Miles should have known this, yet he wasted 3+ years of championship talent. And he is currently doing the same thing with the two QBs he has now.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 8:49 pm to Mike Linebacker
You should stay away from persuasion and analysis
Posted on 2/17/15 at 9:42 pm to Mike Linebacker
1) It baffles me that anyone would take the opinion that LSU has proven to develop QBs.
2) LSU should worry first about winning games at LSU. The NFL is great, but people are buying tickets to watch kids win games in college. Ask Urban Meyer if he is worried that none of his QBs are/were NFL caliber.
3) Metts improvement SR year was a step up from his previous play, but I have to think a lot of people in this thread are really forgetting how many brain farts he had. Hell, he personally kept Ole Miss in the game that year. He often tried to force throws that were not there. Yes, he did improve, but I would say he went from average to good. Not great.
2) LSU should worry first about winning games at LSU. The NFL is great, but people are buying tickets to watch kids win games in college. Ask Urban Meyer if he is worried that none of his QBs are/were NFL caliber.
3) Metts improvement SR year was a step up from his previous play, but I have to think a lot of people in this thread are really forgetting how many brain farts he had. Hell, he personally kept Ole Miss in the game that year. He often tried to force throws that were not there. Yes, he did improve, but I would say he went from average to good. Not great.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 6:13 pm to Mike Linebacker
Fyi, Ponamsky just said on 104.5 that Patterson was set to commit to LSU at a camp until he practiced along side Franks who was at the same camp and was already committed. There was no talk of him coming to LSU after that camp. Patterson didn't want to compete with Franks. LSU has the better prospect and the better fit for LSU committed.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 9:03 pm to Mike Linebacker
Also RP made it to the league and won a SB ring after Les kicked him off the team for lack of personal discipline.
Posted on 2/19/15 at 11:50 am to Mike Linebacker
Comparing us to Ole Miss QB's, way to lower the bar, Sparky.
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