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LB's DT's and DE's signed in 2016
Posted on 2/14/15 at 2:22 am
Posted on 2/14/15 at 2:22 am
Just my opinion but I think 12 to 14 guys in this class need to be at these positions. Maybe more. What say you.
Posted on 2/14/15 at 2:51 am to BOSCEAUX
Need? At the very least 10. Our depth on the D line could be pretty solid until 2017, so 6 linemen all together and 4 linebackers. Maybe one or two athletes that could play either DE/OLB.
It's going to be hard numbers wise. You want 4-5 offensive linemen in every class. Two QB's in this class, then at the very least 2 receivers, maybe three, with one tight end, and maybe a runningback. That's 10 spots at least just on offense. Probably closer to 12-13.
Then we also need 3 safeties in this class, with maybe one extra CB who can play multiple positions. Even though we have talent at CB, it's still very hard to turn away a potential beast at CB, so we could take 3-4 CB's. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see 6-7 DB's in this class
It's going to be a numbers crunch in the end. Hopefully we can get 27-28 guys for next years class. With 12 for the front 7.
It's going to be hard numbers wise. You want 4-5 offensive linemen in every class. Two QB's in this class, then at the very least 2 receivers, maybe three, with one tight end, and maybe a runningback. That's 10 spots at least just on offense. Probably closer to 12-13.
Then we also need 3 safeties in this class, with maybe one extra CB who can play multiple positions. Even though we have talent at CB, it's still very hard to turn away a potential beast at CB, so we could take 3-4 CB's. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see 6-7 DB's in this class
It's going to be a numbers crunch in the end. Hopefully we can get 27-28 guys for next years class. With 12 for the front 7.
Posted on 2/14/15 at 7:05 am to whodidthat
I agree. Our emphasis has to be on LB (at least 4), DT (4), and QB (at least 2)
Posted on 2/14/15 at 7:08 am to GeauxLSU4
I think that number is high in most classes, but it just so happens that we are in great shape for that many in this class and a lot of them are from or have ties to LA. Should be a scary haul in 2016.
Posted on 2/14/15 at 9:03 am to BOSCEAUX
4 to 5 DTs..... Probably 5 or 6 backers..... 3 DEs. Need top 10 guys at each position also. I think we get them too. Maybe not all 5 or 6 backers in the top 10 but at least 3 or 4 and then grab some with super upside which we are doing. It's going to be a good year for the front 7 in 2016 IMO. Maybe the best ever?!
Posted on 2/14/15 at 9:36 am to BayouBengal99
I'd say 4-5 LBs, at least 3, likely 4 DTs, and 2-3 DEs. So probably around 10 between the 3 spots. The DL is actually pretty deep and normally wouldn't get those numbers but at LSU we take the talent the state is heavy with year to year and this year its the DL. Take them while they are available. Its also why WR likely gets 3-4 spots when we only need 1-2/at best.
Posted on 2/14/15 at 10:07 am to BOSCEAUX
Add
LB add 3 or 4 on top of Chattman, as well as moved Voorhies to lB
DE add 3 more on top of the possibility of Stephen Sullivan's prospect of being a DE. You'd have to think that someone may get processed at the end of 2015 at DE (and DT like M. Johnson) if they cannot get on the field.
DT Add 3, but only because it would be sickening not to get Lawrence, Alexander and Logan. Want to add every single La DT prospect, but where would they go?
So much DT depth.
Also got to think that Ed Orgeron will try to get the best out of Glimore, Bain and Herron. That actually could mean that we don't need DT's but you can't pass up this sick amount of talent in-state this year......Therefore the need for DT's may be overstated if O can light a fire under those three. They will not get a pass this year. LMFAO and Valentine need to show promise, but not as much as Bain, Herron, and Glimore, due to their amount of time at the program.
But again, if Logan, Lawrence and Alexander commit, they stay and we will have the most depth/prospect talented DLine EVER at LSU. Also, could you imagine throwing in B Guidry and Ed Oliver? That would be TWELVE DT's. I suppose that Guidry and Stephon Taylor could be a strongside Defensive End. Also heard that Ed Alexander has the feet to play DE....(holy shite).
There are some options if Gilmore/Bain/Herron don't work out. Herron could go back to DE. Bain and Gilmore go to OLINE or they have run out of options for their future at this program.
An overwhelming amount of Dline numbers already for 2016, but a deficit for LB.
DLINE
Sione Teuhema 6-4 240 jr
Lewis Neal 6-1 240 sr
Deondre Clarke 6-3 245 jr
Michael Patterson 6-3 235 jr.....haven't heard his name...ever
Christian LaCouture 6-5 300 sr
Travonte Valentine 6-3 300 so
Greg Gilmore 6-4 315 jr
Trey Lealaimatafao 6-2 300 so
Davon Godchaux 6-4 305 jr
Frank Herron 6-5 285 jr
Maquedius Bain 6-3 310 jr
Tashawn Bower 6-5 250 sr
Arden Key 6-6 250 so
Isaiah Washington 6-4 265 so
Stephen Sullivan 6-6 235 fr
LINEBACKERS
Duke Riley 6-1 225 jr
Ronnie Fiest 6-1 230 sr
Clifford Chatman 6-4 200 project for now.
Kendall Beckwith 6-3 245 sr
Clifton Garrett 6-2 240 so
Donnie Alexander 6-2 215 jr
Devin Voorhies 6-1 215 so must add weight if he moved to LB
LB add 3 or 4 on top of Chattman, as well as moved Voorhies to lB
DE add 3 more on top of the possibility of Stephen Sullivan's prospect of being a DE. You'd have to think that someone may get processed at the end of 2015 at DE (and DT like M. Johnson) if they cannot get on the field.
DT Add 3, but only because it would be sickening not to get Lawrence, Alexander and Logan. Want to add every single La DT prospect, but where would they go?
So much DT depth.
Also got to think that Ed Orgeron will try to get the best out of Glimore, Bain and Herron. That actually could mean that we don't need DT's but you can't pass up this sick amount of talent in-state this year......Therefore the need for DT's may be overstated if O can light a fire under those three. They will not get a pass this year. LMFAO and Valentine need to show promise, but not as much as Bain, Herron, and Glimore, due to their amount of time at the program.
But again, if Logan, Lawrence and Alexander commit, they stay and we will have the most depth/prospect talented DLine EVER at LSU. Also, could you imagine throwing in B Guidry and Ed Oliver? That would be TWELVE DT's. I suppose that Guidry and Stephon Taylor could be a strongside Defensive End. Also heard that Ed Alexander has the feet to play DE....(holy shite).
There are some options if Gilmore/Bain/Herron don't work out. Herron could go back to DE. Bain and Gilmore go to OLINE or they have run out of options for their future at this program.
An overwhelming amount of Dline numbers already for 2016, but a deficit for LB.
DLINE
Sione Teuhema 6-4 240 jr
Lewis Neal 6-1 240 sr
Deondre Clarke 6-3 245 jr
Michael Patterson 6-3 235 jr.....haven't heard his name...ever
Christian LaCouture 6-5 300 sr
Travonte Valentine 6-3 300 so
Greg Gilmore 6-4 315 jr
Trey Lealaimatafao 6-2 300 so
Davon Godchaux 6-4 305 jr
Frank Herron 6-5 285 jr
Maquedius Bain 6-3 310 jr
Tashawn Bower 6-5 250 sr
Arden Key 6-6 250 so
Isaiah Washington 6-4 265 so
Stephen Sullivan 6-6 235 fr
LINEBACKERS
Duke Riley 6-1 225 jr
Ronnie Fiest 6-1 230 sr
Clifford Chatman 6-4 200 project for now.
Kendall Beckwith 6-3 245 sr
Clifton Garrett 6-2 240 so
Donnie Alexander 6-2 215 jr
Devin Voorhies 6-1 215 so must add weight if he moved to LB
This post was edited on 2/14/15 at 10:39 am
Posted on 2/14/15 at 10:43 am to dstone12
All of the previous being said because this just can't be realistic.....
Potential 2016 Dline.
(*****means recruit added)
DE
Sione Teuhema 6-4 240 jr
Lewis Neal 6-1 240 sr
Deondre Clarke 6-3 245 jr
Michael Patterson
Stephen Sullivan 6-6 235 fr*****
DT
Christian LaCouture 6-5 300 sr
Travonte Valentine 6-3 300 so
Greg Gilmore 6-4 315 jr
Trey Lealaimatafao 6-2 300 so
Rashard Lawrence*****
Glenn Logan*****
Davon Godchaux 6-4 305 jr
Frank Herron 6-5 285 jr
Maquedius Bain 6-3 310 jr
Edwin Alexander*****
Ed Oliver*****
DE
Tashawn Bower 6-5 250 sr
Arden Key 6-6 250 so
Isaiah Washington 6-4 265 so
Briston Guidry*****
Stephon Taylor*****
21 of our 85 scholarships cannot reside on only 4 positions. Maybe Bear Bryant could do this back in the 70s, but these numbers are not practical.
Potential 2016 Dline.
(*****means recruit added)
DE
Sione Teuhema 6-4 240 jr
Lewis Neal 6-1 240 sr
Deondre Clarke 6-3 245 jr
Michael Patterson
Stephen Sullivan 6-6 235 fr*****
DT
Christian LaCouture 6-5 300 sr
Travonte Valentine 6-3 300 so
Greg Gilmore 6-4 315 jr
Trey Lealaimatafao 6-2 300 so
Rashard Lawrence*****
Glenn Logan*****
Davon Godchaux 6-4 305 jr
Frank Herron 6-5 285 jr
Maquedius Bain 6-3 310 jr
Edwin Alexander*****
Ed Oliver*****
DE
Tashawn Bower 6-5 250 sr
Arden Key 6-6 250 so
Isaiah Washington 6-4 265 so
Briston Guidry*****
Stephon Taylor*****
21 of our 85 scholarships cannot reside on only 4 positions. Maybe Bear Bryant could do this back in the 70s, but these numbers are not practical.
This post was edited on 2/14/15 at 10:45 am
Posted on 2/14/15 at 10:48 am to dstone12
I think with the need for 3-4 personnel, Steele & O could convince the in-state interior dlinemen to buy in
1. DT/NT Alexander
2. DT/NT Lawerence
3. DT/34DE Oliver
4. DT/34DE Logan
5. DT Mastephon (possible OL)
6. DE/34OLB Sullivan
7. DE/34OLB Chattman
8. DE/34OLB Baker
9. LB Joyner
10. LB D White (possible RB)
11. LB Divinity
12. LB Roach
1. DT/NT Alexander
2. DT/NT Lawerence
3. DT/34DE Oliver
4. DT/34DE Logan
5. DT Mastephon (possible OL)
6. DE/34OLB Sullivan
7. DE/34OLB Chattman
8. DE/34OLB Baker
9. LB Joyner
10. LB D White (possible RB)
11. LB Divinity
12. LB Roach
Posted on 2/14/15 at 11:01 am to BOSCEAUX
quote:
Just my opinion but I think 12 to 14 guys in this class need to be at these positions. Maybe more. What say you
While it will depend on underclassman losses to the NFL, I tend to agree this will be a front 7 "heavy" class.
Up to 4 or 5 in each position group, possibly - although a lot will depend on how younger DEs work out - certainly 4 DTs and 4 LBs - 3 or 4 DEs - will be the floor.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 1:20 pm to dstone12
Truth is; do we know exactly what kind of defense will really be run?
I don't know how to forecast how many LB/DT/DE we will take if Steele goes between a 3-4 and a 4-3.
I don't know how to forecast how many LB/DT/DE we will take if Steele goes between a 3-4 and a 4-3.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 2:33 pm to dstone12
Completely agree dstone. We don't really know what kind of defense we will run so its hard to project where all these kids fit. I personally think we will continue to run a 4 man front base whether that is a 4-3 or 4-2-5. There will be 3 man fronts shown and Chavis did that as well. I just don't see the 3-4 in our very near future. 3-4 years and that's only if the coaching staff is still here. We do not have enough LB depth to run a 3-4 and counting on 3-4 freshmen to run it isn't exactly gonna be good for wins and losses which is more important at this juncture for Less, therefore the entire staff. Get some security running what we have the personnel for and then tinker. All out 3-4 right now with our personnel is a death nail.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 4:21 pm to lsufanva
quote:
All out 3-4 right now with our personnel is a death nail.
I agree. A death knell
Posted on 2/21/15 at 4:44 pm to BasilBogomil
quote:
quote:
All out 3-4 right now with our personnel is a death nail.
I agree. A death knell
basil? is that you?
Posted on 2/21/15 at 4:57 pm to dstone12
I responded in the other thread
Posted on 2/21/15 at 5:46 pm to BasilBogomil
With our strength of the team and the way the nature of the game has transitioned, our base D is pretty much Nickel.
Yes, sometimes there will only be 4 DBs on the field....but the question should be about our "front 6" whether we have three linemen and 3 backers or four linemen and two backers.
And sometimes we'll run dime as well
Agree we need, and will sign, tons of players to play in the box this class. Just wanted to note that the front 7s nowadays include the Dwayne Thomas/Tyran Mathieus of the world
Yes, sometimes there will only be 4 DBs on the field....but the question should be about our "front 6" whether we have three linemen and 3 backers or four linemen and two backers.
And sometimes we'll run dime as well
Agree we need, and will sign, tons of players to play in the box this class. Just wanted to note that the front 7s nowadays include the Dwayne Thomas/Tyran Mathieus of the world
Posted on 2/22/15 at 9:02 am to dstone12
What usually happens and I suspect it will with Bain, Harron and Gilmore is they bring in this kind of talent and it lights a fire in its self under these guys not wanting to become duds or passed by the younger guys so thier effort goes sky high, kinda like Collins our CB this year. They will have something to prove and now get to basically start over with coach O. Never know what these guys may do? I expect one or 2 of em to blow the frick up!! We still need at least 4 or 5 bc a lot of these guys will leave at the same time. Could have 5 leave in the same year if the juniors have great years. If we only get 3 or 4 then we need another 3 or4 next year
Posted on 2/22/15 at 11:27 pm to whodidthat
we recruit so many dang 6'1" and 6'2" corners that we have no need to ever recruit free safety types
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