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Is a brand new Gibson Les Paul Standard an acceptable 1st guitar for a newbie?
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:13 pm
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:13 pm
Apparently it is, because I was in GC today half-listening to the salesman next to me talking to some guy who had clearly never played guitar before. The customer was 40 or so, and the salesman was explaining the difference between Gibsons and Epiphones, telling him about some of the brand names and which ones were better.
So anyway I walk to the other part of the store, walk back around, and he's still talking to the salesman, when the guy suddenly says "OK I'll buy that one" and points to a cherry sunburst Gibson Les Paul which was still hanging on the wall. As in, I'm pretty sure he never even held it before buying it.
I was shocked and I'm pretty sure let out a kind of choked sound, because the guy gave me a dirty look. I wanted to pull him aside and point him to the used Standard Strats and Ibanez Artcores that are really nice guitars for 1/5 the price and much more appropriate for beginners. But hell, it wasn't any of my business. Plus I figured the salesman might literally try to fight me if I cost him that much commission.
I was also tempted to give him my card and be like, look, if this ends up sitting in your closet for the next three months give me a ring. I could not even imagine dropping that kind of $ on an instrument without knowing how to play a single note.
So anyway I walk to the other part of the store, walk back around, and he's still talking to the salesman, when the guy suddenly says "OK I'll buy that one" and points to a cherry sunburst Gibson Les Paul which was still hanging on the wall. As in, I'm pretty sure he never even held it before buying it.
I was shocked and I'm pretty sure let out a kind of choked sound, because the guy gave me a dirty look. I wanted to pull him aside and point him to the used Standard Strats and Ibanez Artcores that are really nice guitars for 1/5 the price and much more appropriate for beginners. But hell, it wasn't any of my business. Plus I figured the salesman might literally try to fight me if I cost him that much commission.
I was also tempted to give him my card and be like, look, if this ends up sitting in your closet for the next three months give me a ring. I could not even imagine dropping that kind of $ on an instrument without knowing how to play a single note.
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Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:23 pm to Cold Cous Cous
If he's willing to drop well over a grand on a beginner guitar, then it will be a fantastic one. I wish I could have started out playing one.
This post was edited on 1/29/15 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:27 pm to Cold Cous Cous
1. new gibsons are garbage and not nearly worth their hefty price.
2. never buy your first guitar new
3. never buy new guitars
List:$6,265.00
sale for: $3,759.00
zzsounds
2. never buy your first guitar new
3. never buy new guitars
List:$6,265.00
sale for: $3,759.00
zzsounds
This post was edited on 1/29/15 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:32 pm to Cold Cous Cous
more power to him.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:59 pm to Cold Cous Cous
I'm thinking of writing some hip hop
Is a brand new Acer an acceptable laptop for a newbie?
Is a brand new Acer an acceptable laptop for a newbie?
Posted on 1/30/15 at 6:51 am to Cold Cous Cous
An American Standard? Hell yes. It's a good guitar for someone that's been playing 25 years.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:08 am to Cold Cous Cous
No. Sound great, sure but heavy. Most guitars are more comfortable and easier to play. The headstocks are so easy to break as well. Mine got bumped off the stand and cracked. Hip replacement would be in store if it was my everyday guitar and I'm not a small guy. It's a worker you keep around because you enjoy their personality and are well liked but you have some work horses out there that are better for the bottom line.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 8:19 am to Cold Cous Cous
I could see it being dirty to talk a young kid into thinking they NEED a Les Paul, but that was a grown man who probably told the saleman he didn't want to start on a pos. I wish I had started on something better, one of the most discouraging factors is first starting to play is pos guitars go out of tune almost as soon as their strummed, and the tone is shite. People underestimate how much your ears need to learn, and it's much better to start on a guitar that can give you that foundation.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 8:23 am to Cold Cous Cous
If a guy who's never played walks into a GC without:
• Having talked to friends who play about good beginner guitars
• Doing some research on the internet
… the guy deserves what he gets (assuming the guitar is poorly matched to his skill and experience level).
That said, it's not unheard of for a player to buy a guitar that's "above" his skill level. Why? It's just plain fun to own and play a cool guitar, even if you aren't Jimmy Paige.
• Having talked to friends who play about good beginner guitars
• Doing some research on the internet
… the guy deserves what he gets (assuming the guitar is poorly matched to his skill and experience level).
That said, it's not unheard of for a player to buy a guitar that's "above" his skill level. Why? It's just plain fun to own and play a cool guitar, even if you aren't Jimmy Paige.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 8:44 am to Cold Cous Cous
This arguement doesn't ever make sense to me. The only reason most people buy cheap guitars as a beginner guitar is just to see if they like it before flaking out. So what if he wants to buy a nice quality guitar with his money? How many people go out and buy a nice set of golf clubs and only play once or twice?
So I can't buy a Martin dreadnaught to strum D, A, G on because it has a far better tone than a $200 Takamine? I'm surely not Paige. I would argue any and all guitars are above everyone's skill level unless your someone who's mastered it like J. Paige.
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That said, it's not unheard of for a player to buy a guitar that's "above" his skill level. Why? It's just plain fun to own and play a cool guitar, even if you aren't Jimmy Paige.
So I can't buy a Martin dreadnaught to strum D, A, G on because it has a far better tone than a $200 Takamine? I'm surely not Paige. I would argue any and all guitars are above everyone's skill level unless your someone who's mastered it like J. Paige.
This post was edited on 1/30/15 at 8:47 am
Posted on 1/30/15 at 9:19 am to Cold Cous Cous
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Is a brand new Gibson Les Paul Standard an acceptable 1st guitar for a newbie?
No, it is not. This guy was either a dumbass or a poser or both.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 9:22 am to Cold Cous Cous
Thread derail: Anyone else hate that Gibson changed the Les Paul logo on the headstock this year? It looks like a 5 year old scribbled 100 on it and the lettering is super thick.
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frick THAT. Henry Juszkiewicz is a buffoon and is killing Gibson.
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Whereas MAP (manufacturer advertised price) for a 2014 Les Paul Standard with a normal flame top comes in at $2999, the 2015 equivalent will start at $3879, marking a roughly 29% increase.
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Other changes include the expansion of the Min-ETune automated tuning system, which will be re-branded as "G-Force," as standard on almost all guitars. In celebration of the 100th birthday of Les Paul himself, all 2015 Les Paul models will feature a swirly "Les Paul 100" headstock logo marking a departure from the traditional Les Paul logo seen on the guitar for decades. As for actual specs, Gibson is updating the nut to a brass "Zero Fret Nut" and increasing the neck width on most models.
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frick THAT. Henry Juszkiewicz is a buffoon and is killing Gibson.
This post was edited on 1/30/15 at 9:32 am
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:46 am to Cold Cous Cous
I tend to buy pretty nice when I'm getting into something, although I do try and leave room to grow. It's fun to work up to better equipment.
But I see nothing wrong w/ a beginner getting a LP. When I'm 40 and I start picking up some new hobby, I'm going to buy something pretty good.
But I see nothing wrong w/ a beginner getting a LP. When I'm 40 and I start picking up some new hobby, I'm going to buy something pretty good.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 11:13 am to Cold Cous Cous
To be fair those epiphone standards have the muddiest pick-ups known to man and the playability is noticeably worse. That said, he'd still be ahead $$ wise with a set of Burstbuckers, a complete rewire, and a good set-up. The tone is actually pretty good with those mods- but its still a struggle to play cleanly.
Flame alert- he'd still have been ahead of the game buying a Carvin CS6 (or the american made fenders)
Flame alert- he'd still have been ahead of the game buying a Carvin CS6 (or the american made fenders)
Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:45 am to Cold Cous Cous
GC is nothing but Hustle City
Posted on 2/2/15 at 2:32 pm to Cold Cous Cous
I have this one:
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It is fricking awesome, especially considering the price. It can easily keep pace with a LPS.
Once you get past the snobbery, it's about how the instrument truly plays/sounds.
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It is fricking awesome, especially considering the price. It can easily keep pace with a LPS.
Once you get past the snobbery, it's about how the instrument truly plays/sounds.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 2:36 pm to Cold Cous Cous
BTW, what of the 40 y/o fella is a high earning professional and just wants to cut to the chase and get something that may help keep him interested?
Besides, great instruments that are set up well will be more enticing as they tend to stay in tune and sound better.......
Besides, great instruments that are set up well will be more enticing as they tend to stay in tune and sound better.......
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