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Good news for OB. Bad news for EPA and tree huggers
Posted on 12/24/14 at 10:44 am
Posted on 12/24/14 at 10:44 am
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SIAP. Im ok with the lead paint ban in 1978 and that we shoot steel for ducks but I think this push had more to do with gun control than the environment.
SIAP. Im ok with the lead paint ban in 1978 and that we shoot steel for ducks but I think this push had more to do with gun control than the environment.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 10:55 am to rattlebucket
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and that we shoot steel for ducks.
I'm not ok with that
Posted on 12/24/14 at 10:59 am to rattlebucket
I was given a few boxes of that recently. Holy shite it's awesome, not worth $5 a shot though.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 11:27 am to KingRanch
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not worth $5 a shot though.
BINGO!
Posted on 12/24/14 at 11:30 am to KingRanch
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not worth $5 a shot though.
+1, hopefully with oil the drop, ammo prices will fall.. but probably wont be for a while
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:55 pm to aVatiger
Bring back Pb. I shoot lead while hunting doves and other critters over the same fields I shoot ducks and geese. No comprende.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:40 pm to Sparkplug#1
Asked green jeans about this. Said crippled birds could end up in water.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 2:05 pm to weagle99
They conducted a study that ducks ingested the lead and it caused millions of ducks to die. I think it has to so with the lead in the water and not on land.
I dunno. That study was probably cooked also.
I dunno. That study was probably cooked also.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 2:23 pm to weagle99
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Asked green jeans about this. Said crippled birds could end up in water.
Yet we use lead for fishing weights...
Posted on 12/24/14 at 2:30 pm to rattlebucket
I always thought it was cause any pellet that doesn't hit a duck is gonna land in the water. Think about all the lead that you shoot in a season. Not such a big deal on land, but heavy metal contamination in water is a bitch that works it's way up the food chain.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 2:37 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
The lead ban on waterfowl hunting is the biggest crock of shite ever in the history of hunting.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 4:52 pm to KingRanch
That's quite a bold statement KR...Why are you so in favor of Pb over steel shot for ducks?
Posted on 12/24/14 at 5:13 pm to weagle99
"Steel shot retains its shape better than lead shot does, and compensations can be made for its lighter weight, enabling it to retain energy as well as lead shot."
"Neither study reported significant differences between crippling rates for lead and steel shot. Extrapolating data from these two studies, we find that No. 1 steel shot would reduce crippling losses in large geese by 22.8 percent, and BB steel shot would reduce crippling losses by 18.6 percent."
"More recent field tests with lead and improved steel shot, however, show little difference in killing power between the two loads at long ranges. Anderson and Sanderson (1979: Table 5) found steel shot as effective or better than lead for killing interior Canada geese at ranges >45.7 m (50 yards). Hunters shooting small-to-midsize geese at Tule Lake, California, crippled fewer geese at ranges >45.7 m (50 yards) with steel loads than with lead (Smith and Roster 1979:7)."
"Surprising to many ballisticians, however, steel shot has been found to possess a quality of form retention that makes for a better pattern and a shorter shot string than soft lead."
There's 100's more lines I can quote where steel equals or outperforms soft lead ballisticly, if you want to read up a little more here's the U.S. Geological Survey study on it:
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Crippling a bird with lead shot kills it from the inside out, its body rejects the lead vs steel in which the bird won't essentially self-destruct (though it will most likely die of starvation or predation, but lead isn't moving up the food chain.) You also have to take into account that a large amount of ducks feed by diving to the bottom to eat seeds and invertebrates that grow on submerged vegetation...1 lead pellet is shown to be enough to kill a duck within 2 weeks of ingestion.
If none of that is enough to convince you, lead is toxic. It breaks down your nervous system and long term exposure will cause organ failure. Why would you risk eating or even just chewing on lead? Idk it just seems like a no brainer to me, stepping off my soapbox now
"Neither study reported significant differences between crippling rates for lead and steel shot. Extrapolating data from these two studies, we find that No. 1 steel shot would reduce crippling losses in large geese by 22.8 percent, and BB steel shot would reduce crippling losses by 18.6 percent."
"More recent field tests with lead and improved steel shot, however, show little difference in killing power between the two loads at long ranges. Anderson and Sanderson (1979: Table 5) found steel shot as effective or better than lead for killing interior Canada geese at ranges >45.7 m (50 yards). Hunters shooting small-to-midsize geese at Tule Lake, California, crippled fewer geese at ranges >45.7 m (50 yards) with steel loads than with lead (Smith and Roster 1979:7)."
"Surprising to many ballisticians, however, steel shot has been found to possess a quality of form retention that makes for a better pattern and a shorter shot string than soft lead."
There's 100's more lines I can quote where steel equals or outperforms soft lead ballisticly, if you want to read up a little more here's the U.S. Geological Survey study on it:
LINK
Crippling a bird with lead shot kills it from the inside out, its body rejects the lead vs steel in which the bird won't essentially self-destruct (though it will most likely die of starvation or predation, but lead isn't moving up the food chain.) You also have to take into account that a large amount of ducks feed by diving to the bottom to eat seeds and invertebrates that grow on submerged vegetation...1 lead pellet is shown to be enough to kill a duck within 2 weeks of ingestion.
If none of that is enough to convince you, lead is toxic. It breaks down your nervous system and long term exposure will cause organ failure. Why would you risk eating or even just chewing on lead? Idk it just seems like a no brainer to me, stepping off my soapbox now
Posted on 12/24/14 at 5:51 pm to MrBobDobalina
Merry Christmas.
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 5:59 pm
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