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re: Satanic Temple puts up display at Michigan Capital
Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:09 pm to Hog on the Hill
Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:09 pm to Hog on the Hill
quote:Here's where it gets tricky because you get into a lot of caveats based on the particular belief and the particular outcome. If there is nothing and my consciousness just disappears for eternity, the truth of an afterlife is verified to be untrue, even though I'm no longer aware to be able to know or understand it. That's an example where I cannot knowingly verify the truth claim, even if the truth claim is verified by my death.
That's the thing, you can't. Your premise is not true.
Premise: If I, personally, am able to verify whether or not my belief is true when I die
The bolded is the problem. You can't verify if your belief is not true if you are wrong. You won't exist. That means the conditions are not met to satisfy your premise.
If, though, my soul goes to Heaven (or even Hell) and I'm aware of it, my death has allowed me to verify the existence of the afterlife, and assuming I still have awareness of some kind, I should be able to compare my current state with what I believed about my that state while I was alive to determine if my beliefs were true or false. Either way, the outcome verifies my beliefs one way or the other. The question is whether or not I'm able to know or understand it.
My initial point was that certain religious beliefs can theoretically be verified by an individual even if it doesn't (or can't) happen in the here-and-now.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:12 pm to FooManChoo
quote:I strongly disagree. If you don't exist, nothing can be verified to you. The existence of an observer is implicit and essential in the concept of 'verification'--you can't separate the two and still have verification. At least that's the way I see it.
Here's where it gets tricky because you get into a lot of caveats based on the particular belief and the particular outcome. If there is nothing and my consciousness just disappears for eternity, the truth of an afterlife is verified to be untrue, even though I'm no longer aware to be able to know or understand it. That's an example where I cannot knowingly verify the truth claim, even if the truth claim is verified by my death.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 1:12 pm
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