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re: Satanic Temple puts up display at Michigan Capital
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:24 am to Porkchop Express
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:24 am to Porkchop Express
quote:I guess the better example is just the shell game, because it leaves out little complications like the possibility of a false negative on a drug test. Let's go back to the shell game.
In this scenario it is a belief that Bob will fail his drug test.
Until the results are verified at a distinct moment in time it is just a belief.
The person moving the shells knows the ball is under the second shell, because he intentionally moved it there. It's a fact that the ball is under the second shell.
I believe the ball is under the third shell, because unbeknownst to me, the shell-mover used sleight of hand to trick me into thinking that's where it went.
I have a belief, that happens to be false, that the ball is under the third shell. The fact is, known to the shell-mover, that the ball is under the second shell. The fact and the false belief exist contemporaneously.
I think I've explained my thoughts as clearly as I can, so I'll make this my last post about it.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:27 am to Hog on the Hill
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In this scenario it is a belief that Bob will fail his drug test. Until the results are verified at a distinct moment in time it is just a belief. I guess the better example is just the shell game, because it leaves out little complications like the possibility of a false negative on a drug test. Let's go back to the shell game. The person moving the shells knows the ball is under the second shell, because he intentionally moved it there. It's a fact that the ball is under the second shell. I believe the ball is under the third shell, because unbeknownst to me, the shell-mover used sleight of hand to trick me into thinking that's where it went. I have a belief, that happens to be false, that the ball is under the third shell. The fact is, known to the shell-mover, that the ball is under the second shell. The fact and the false belief exist contemporaneously. I think I've explained my thoughts as clearly as I can, so I'll make this my last post about it.
But until the moment that the shell mover picks up the shell he does not know it is there. He just believes it is there.
Yeah, the discussion has run its course.
I believe...
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:32 am to Hog on the Hill
quote:The issue with your shell game example as I see it is that unlike God/No-God, you have definitive evidence for the ball being under one shell as you saw it go under the shell. The fact you couldn't keep track of it doesn't negate that reality.
I guess the better example is just the shell game, because it leaves out little complications like the possibility of a false negative on a drug test. Let's go back to the shell game.
To me, there is literally no evidence in existence for any God as good as seeing the ball go under one of the shells.
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