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Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:05 am to
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:05 am to
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Then as you've said, you're agnostic

I'm of the view that there really isn't any such thing as an agnostic.

To me, one believes or one does not believe.

If one says they are "agnostic" then by definition, they do not fall into the former.

To me, atheism is simply the absence of belief. I realize that Webster's disagrees but frankly, that view is from the viewpoint of a belief.

I subscribe to the following.
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Atheism is usually defined incorrectly as a belief system. Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods. Older dictionaries define atheism as "a belief that there is no God.


Atheism is the default. When you are born, you have no belief in a God of any sort. You are effectively, an atheist. If no one EVER introduced the idea of God to you, then you'd have to create the idea on your own but you weren't born with it either way.

I used to say I was "agnostic" but I came to view the term as nonsensical. I pretty much said it as an "out". IE, somehow, the whole "well, if there's a God, I didn't say I was atheist" line of thinking meaning I could somehow still work my way into heaven.

But, that's silly. If there in fact turned out to be a God, he obviously would know I didn't believe in him. If pretending to ride the fence fooled him, then he isn't God in the first place.

Hence, to me, either you believe or don't. Either you're a theist, or an Atheist.
Posted by DestrehanTiger
Houston, TX by way of Louisiana
Member since Nov 2005
12594 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:08 am to
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ShortyRob


I think that is a pretty well thought out explanation. I would say that I follow this line of thinking as well.
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29300 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:09 am to
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Either you're a theist, or an Atheist.


well christians literally just believe in one more god than atheists
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Member since Jun 2009
13389 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:11 am to
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I'm of the view that there really isn't any such thing as an agnostic.

To me, one believes or one does not believe.

If one says they are "agnostic" then by definition, they do not fall into the former.
Gnostic/agnostic do not pertain to belief, but to a claim about knowledge and what is knowable. It's distinct from theism/atheism, which is entirely about what is believed or not believed.

Both words are useful in describing a person's philosophical position pertaining to the existence of a god or gods, and the existence of evidence supporting belief in god.

I find it useful in clarifying my position, which is one of agnostic atheism, which is distinct from gnostic atheism. I've elaborated on this already in this thread so I'm not going to do it again.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 11:13 am
Posted by dawg2357
Member since Apr 2014
44 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 12:49 pm to
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Atheism is the default. When you are born, you have no belief in a God of any sort. You are effectively, an atheist. If no one EVER introduced the idea of God to you, then you'd have to create the idea on your own but you weren't born with it either way.


I disagree. Under this definition we could say a rock or a tree is an atheist. A rock doesn't have a belief in God, but it would be ludicrous to call it an atheist.

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