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re: Why Are SJW's and Feminists Largely Silent Regarding Muslim Violence?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:40 pm to KCT
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:40 pm to KCT
I get your point, and it's salient to a degree, but I kinda feel like demanding condemnations like this is a bit of a cheap shot.
I'm certain if asked they would condemn violence against women in Islamic states just as they would in Western ones. But their battles are closer to home. It's kinda like asking why Republicans are largely silent regarding the existence of a massive welfare state in Europe or political repressions in China; sure, we don't like it, and we speak out about it sometimes, but it's just not directly our problem to combat, and people pushing us to make some kind of point against it feels... insincere somehow. Like they're distracting from the discourse by demanding some condemnation of something not immediately relevant to the issues we care about here at home.
I'd rather just not play the condemnation game, because it turns so quickly into a massive gotcha mess on both sides in lieu of real discussion.
Now, where I think there's a salient point to be had is in comparing the condemnation at home to condemnation abroad, and there's something to it. Forgive me if I don't find Romney's binders-full-of-women comment particularly upsetting, y'know? Not that we should rest on our laurels in being better than most of the world in treating women well, but if that's the worst we're doing, I'm not feeling especially bad about where we're at.
But let's please not play this condemnation game, it mostly exists to distract from discussion about the issues themselves and the values underlying solutions to those issues.
I'm certain if asked they would condemn violence against women in Islamic states just as they would in Western ones. But their battles are closer to home. It's kinda like asking why Republicans are largely silent regarding the existence of a massive welfare state in Europe or political repressions in China; sure, we don't like it, and we speak out about it sometimes, but it's just not directly our problem to combat, and people pushing us to make some kind of point against it feels... insincere somehow. Like they're distracting from the discourse by demanding some condemnation of something not immediately relevant to the issues we care about here at home.
I'd rather just not play the condemnation game, because it turns so quickly into a massive gotcha mess on both sides in lieu of real discussion.
Now, where I think there's a salient point to be had is in comparing the condemnation at home to condemnation abroad, and there's something to it. Forgive me if I don't find Romney's binders-full-of-women comment particularly upsetting, y'know? Not that we should rest on our laurels in being better than most of the world in treating women well, but if that's the worst we're doing, I'm not feeling especially bad about where we're at.
But let's please not play this condemnation game, it mostly exists to distract from discussion about the issues themselves and the values underlying solutions to those issues.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:59 pm to Eden
First of all, I'm not demanding that anybody condemn anything. I'm simply pointing out that these people, by and large, wouldn't condemn Muslim violence even if their lives depended on it.
Secondly, we're talking about people who generally don't need much of a grievance, real or imagined, in order to protest, denounce, boycott, etc. Hence, the reason why I'm asking why their regular modus operandi flies out the window when it comes to this epidemic of Muslim violence that we see being perpetrated all over the world.
But, I guess I'll stop before boosie thinks I'm slandering his neighbor again.
Secondly, we're talking about people who generally don't need much of a grievance, real or imagined, in order to protest, denounce, boycott, etc. Hence, the reason why I'm asking why their regular modus operandi flies out the window when it comes to this epidemic of Muslim violence that we see being perpetrated all over the world.
But, I guess I'll stop before boosie thinks I'm slandering his neighbor again.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 8:27 pm to Eden
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It's kinda like asking why Republicans are largely silent regarding the existence of a massive welfare state in Europe or political repressions in China;
You obviously don't talk to many educated Republicans, I guess?
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