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re: Officer in Eric Garner case: I never used a choke hold

Posted on 12/11/14 at 10:50 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Member since Sep 2003
125444 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 10:50 am to
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And yet above you stated "Neither cause would be lethal"
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No mmcgrath, as i'm certain you understood before you posted, I said episodic straining or relatively brief jugular compression could produce petechiae, but neither would be a cause of death. Put another way the petechiae do not equate with any sort of lethal cerebral hemorrhage here. They do not equate to any sort of determinative evidence of an asphyxia producing choke hold, airway or vascular. The ME's findings relative to cardipulmonary collapse are bizarrely conflicted. What was publicized was a weird report.

My suspicion is this guy, like Luis Hernandez, had significant underlying medical issues --- OSA, Asthma, Coronary/Myocardial Disease --- and rapidly lost conscious in a restrained, chest-compressed, prone position. The cops did not recognize extremis. They continued actions after loss of consciousness and should be held liable in some way.

The ME claiming Garner was choked to death and crushed to death is not only unhelpful, it is such a ridiculous finding that it could have exonerated any of the cops on its own. No doubt, considering language associated with the ME's report, that was not the ME's intent.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
114032 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:12 am to
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The ME claiming Garner was choked to death and crushed to death is not only unhelpful, it is such a ridiculous finding that it could have exonerated any of the cops on its own. No doubt, considering language associated with the ME's report, that was not the ME's intent.


I think this is incorrect.

The interruption of the mechanical movement of the chest bellows is crushing to death?
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 11:14 am
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35689 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:15 am to
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And yet above you stated "Neither cause would be lethal"
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No mmcgrath, as i'm certain you understood before you posted,
Dude, I just produced a direct quote. My post was "You stated [insert direct quote from nc_tigah]". Yet you reply "No".

I don't get you.
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