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Recruiting Dual Threat QBs and why it's hard

Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:01 am
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:01 am
Some player types are harder to evaluate in HS than others. Dual threat QBs fall into this category. The reason is that often, in HS, a "dual threat" QB is really just the most athletic MFer on the field. He can often appear to even be a pretty decent passer because he's passing against defenses so helpless to stop him when he's running that his reads are simple and WRs are running in the clear.

Think about this. Deion Sanders was a HS QB. I saw him play in HS. Teams were helpless to stop him. shite, they probably prayed he'd just pass.

Meanwhile, a traditional QB still basically needs to make all the throws. He isn't athletic enough to just take off every time he doesn't have the perfect throwing option. This actually lends to his development as a passer too. I mean hell, do you know how hard it must've been for a HS coach to convince Cam Newton not to just take off every time the WR wasn't running 3 yards in the clear? I can hear the conversation now. "Cam, I know you just ripped off 30 yards, but that WR really was kinda open".

So, Dual Threat guys give evaluators three problems. 1)They rarely have to learn to make all the throws an so, evaluators don't tend to see them. 2)They tend to only throw when the pass is absolutely THERE giving the illusion that this will translate going up and 3)Their leg talent actually impedes their own development as a passer.
(think of it as being a 7'2" basketball player in HS........why practice your jump shot? You're going to dominate anyway!)

So, I would love it if we could get a REAL dual threat guy but I submit that a GREAT MANY so-called "dual threat" guys in HS aren't. Even when they have big passing numbers. I think the hit rate for evaluating a great passer is just a lot easier to achieve than evaluating these HS dual threat guys.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
5598 posts
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:05 am to
That's why LSU brings all QBs to LSU for a personal view.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262129 posts
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:19 am to
"Dual threat" HS QB's are a dime a dozen. Running is the easy part.

LSU's best QB's in the past 30 years or so, only one was a true DT.

Hodson
Herb Tyler (DT)
Davey
Mauck
JR
Flynn
Mett

Mauck and Flynn (JR to an extent) were more mobile QB's to an extent.
Posted by winston318
Oklahoma City,OK
Member since Sep 2009
3175 posts
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:13 pm to
Give me a pocket passer with a quick release, that can read defenses. That type of passer will open up the run game. Now he doesn't have to have 4.4 speed but at least run a 4.8 to be able to pick up a first downs when needed.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:15 pm to
Brandon Harris has the ability to make every single throw on the field. He has a great to elite type of arm.

I agree that the #1 criteria should be passing ability, but you'd obviously rather the guy who can move over the guy who's a statue if their arm talent is similar.

You're separating dual threat and mobile into 2 distinct categories when they shouldn't be. Dual threat QBs can develop into great pocket passers who use their running ability to extend plays and look downfield.

See Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, Andrew Luck, etc.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 12:20 pm
Posted by dante
Kingwood, TX
Member since Mar 2006
10669 posts
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:25 pm to
quote:

Some player types are harder to evaluate in HS than others. Dual threat QBs fall into this category. The reason is that often, in HS, a "dual threat" QB is really just the most athletic MFer on the field. He can often appear to even be a pretty decent passer because he's passing against defenses so helpless to stop him when he's running that his reads are simple and WRs are running in the clear.
Not only that, but most DT qb's work completely out of the shotgun and don't even know the proper footwork for 3 and 5 step drops. Not to mention being taught how to properly take a snap from center.
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:38 pm to
Best players on most hs teams play qb.
They are better than 95% other players on field so their numbers aren't what they seem.

They get to college and they have to do two things they didnt have to do in high school.

1) prepare and not be an idiot.
2) compete against players that are just as good as them.


That's the problem with dual threat qbs.
Posted by DonJuanDaMiles
San Diego, CA
Member since Feb 2014
625 posts
Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:24 pm to
Probably true when you saw Dion play, but nowadays these guys participate in so many camps, 7-on-7's, and other competitions such as Elite 11 that recruiters get opportunities to see them make many, if not all, the throws.

Not to mention, it's not like these kids are all running the triple option. Most of these guys are playing in modern spread offenses and throwing the ball 20+ times per game.

Your basketball analogy fell short as well, Rob.
Posted by Slapouttiger
alabama
Member since Jun 2011
3087 posts
Posted on 12/3/14 at 7:03 pm to
I think any coach worth his salt should know when bringing this kid into to throw can look and see if the kid can make all the throws. It's not rocket science.
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