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re: What would North America be like today had the American Indians been left alone?
Posted on 11/27/14 at 11:03 pm to USMCTiger03
Posted on 11/27/14 at 11:03 pm to USMCTiger03
quote:Yes before the white man North America was a progressive and peaceful land where all lived in prosperity and war was unknown
Has any group been treated better by modern PC history revision than the American Indian?
Posted on 11/27/14 at 11:10 pm to weagle99
Well, assuming the Chinese or Japanese didn't land on the west coast, there'd Be a lot more bison running around I'd guess. Oh, and they'd probably still be inter tribal slavery. And human sacrifice in some places.
It's probably a more interesting question to ask how European history would be different. Napoleon wouldn't have had the Louisiana purchase to sell (or anyone to sell it to),Euopean countries might have put more emphasis on colonies in places like Australia, Africa and India; WWI might have come out different without the US or if not, maybe WWII. Probably a lot of other changes. Invention of things like flight and automobiles may have taken different shapes, etc.
It's probably a more interesting question to ask how European history would be different. Napoleon wouldn't have had the Louisiana purchase to sell (or anyone to sell it to),Euopean countries might have put more emphasis on colonies in places like Australia, Africa and India; WWI might have come out different without the US or if not, maybe WWII. Probably a lot of other changes. Invention of things like flight and automobiles may have taken different shapes, etc.
This post was edited on 11/27/14 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 11/27/14 at 11:22 pm to Jim Rockford
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Tenoctlan, the Aztec capitol, had a population of 200,000. The people lived in stone houses with running water brought to the city by aqueducts. The Incas had a system of roads throughout their empire, understood astronomy, and developed a calendar.
Yep, and by the 16th century they had yet to domesticate animals nor discovered the usefulness of the wheel, regularly practiced human sacrifice and had an economy based on forced slavery usually by kidnapping. The roads you mention were more akin to footpaths than anything else. Lets stop with the revisionist history. If left to their own devices the natives of North America would be the most backwards and uncivilized people on earth. The slums of Rio would look palatial in comparison.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 11:28 pm to cave canem
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Yep, and by the 16th century they had yet to domesticate animals nor discovered the usefulness of the wheel, regularly practiced human sacrifice and had an economy based on forced slavery usually by kidnapping. The roads you mention were more akin to footpaths than anything else. Lets stop with the revisionist history. If left to their own devices the natives of North America would be the most backwards and uncivilized people on earth. The slums of Rio would look palatial in comparison.
At the same time, Europeans were also practicing slavery, and burning heretics at the stake, which looks an awful lot like human sacrifice to me. Most people lived in squalor, and even the nobility stank to high heaven because nobody bathed. No one was particularly civilized by modern standards. Europeans certainly weren't morally superior, and although they had some technological advantages, they conquered North America mostly by accidentally, and sometimes intentionally, introducing fatal diseases to the native population.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 11:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it would be like africa
Africa was left alone? This is news to me. What history class did you take?
Posted on 11/28/14 at 12:03 am to The Third Leg
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Less obese.
For several years we used to hit the casino and the waterpark run by Indians in Mississippi. I think I saw one skinny one (a male) in 5 years.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 12:21 am to weagle99
Here come the oblivious nationalists.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 12:57 am to Jim Rockford
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Europeans were also practicing slavery
While very true European slavery was miniscule when compared to the slavery in the Americas at this time. Entire wars were carried out and tribes decimated only to capture slaves.
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and burning heretics at the stake, which looks an awful lot like human sacrifice to me
Although I disagree with the idea, burning heretics at the stake was a punishment for a crime. Cutting out thousands of peoples hearts to appease the wind god is a bit different, sorry you are incapable of distinguishing the difference.
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Most people lived in squalor, and even the nobility stank to high heaven because nobody bathed.
Not even going to comment on this drivel.
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Europeans certainly weren't morally superior, and although they had some technological advantages, they conquered North America mostly by accidentally, and sometimes intentionally, introducing fatal diseases to the native population.
WTF does this even have to do with the question at hand? Did you type it just to feel better about yourself? And by the way it is completely false.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 5:15 am to cave canem
You arse would have been at work yesterday! That is of course assuming you have a job! So I tip my hat to the redman who sacrificed so much so that I could enjoy a few days off.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 5:41 am to FLObserver
Was at work yesterday, not everyone sucks on the gov. tit like you.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 5:52 am to weagle99
This question is impossible to answer.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 7:35 am to Jim Rockford
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Posted by Jim Rockford on 11/27 at 11:28 pm to cave canem
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Yep, and by the 16th century they had yet to domesticate animals nor discovered the usefulness of the wheel, regularly practiced human sacrifice and had an economy based on forced slavery usually by kidnapping. The roads you mention were more akin to footpaths than anything else. Lets stop with the revisionist history. If left to their own devices the natives of North America would be the most backwards and uncivilized people on earth. The slums of Rio would look palatial in comparison.
At the same time, Europeans were also practicing slavery, and burning heretics at the stake, which looks an awful lot like human sacrifice to me. Most people lived in squalor, and even the nobility stank to high heaven because nobody bathed. No one was particularly civilized by modern standards. Europeans certainly weren't morally superior, and although they had some technological advantages, they conquered North America mostly by accidentally, and sometimes intentionally, introducing fatal diseases to the native population.
but this will upset the "Great White Man" revisionists
This post was edited on 11/28/14 at 7:39 am
Posted on 11/28/14 at 7:35 am to weagle99
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weagle99
you would still be chromosomes in some european's ovary
Posted on 11/28/14 at 7:47 am to cave canem
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If left to their own devices the natives of North America would be the most backwards and uncivilized people on earth. The slums of Rio would look palatial in comparison.
I hope you don't really believe this. What part of looking at the ancient Mayans and Aztecs makes you believe this? They were more advanced half a century ago than many current societies around the world. With another 500 or so years under their belt who knows how advanced they'd be today.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 8:12 am to 911Moto
Yea I live in Mississippi and the Choctaws that work at the casino look like tree stumps with hair. All have the same build, men and women.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 8:30 am to rintintin
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I hope you don't really believe this. What part of looking at the ancient Mayans and Aztecs makes you believe this? They were more advanced half a century ago than many current societies around the world. With another 500 or so years under their belt who knows how advanced they'd be today.
Your idiot arse does realize that "half a century" ago was 1964. This alone says you know not of which you speak.
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