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re: Under the Skin (2013) Scarlett Johansson
Posted on 1/7/15 at 8:15 am to Pilot Tiger
Posted on 1/7/15 at 8:15 am to Pilot Tiger
Sorry to bump an old thread but I watched this last night. It won't leave my mind.
Pilot is spot on and would love to hear more discussion. It is popping up on a lot of top 10 lists this year. Absolutely loved it.
Pilot is spot on and would love to hear more discussion. It is popping up on a lot of top 10 lists this year. Absolutely loved it.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 8:18 am to TheHumanTornado
yea I really need to watch it again
It's just so beautifully done
The scene that really sticks out is when she left the baby on the beach. It's just so terrifying, yet so simple
It's just so beautifully done
The scene that really sticks out is when she left the baby on the beach. It's just so terrifying, yet so simple
Posted on 1/7/15 at 9:40 am to Holden Caulfield
If I had to walk 10 miles barefoot down a gravel road, theres probably nothing id rather sink my foot in than Scarlet's cleavage. If you squeeze one I bet it produces morphine
That said, i felt obligated after the movie to fly to Scotland and parade about my well groomed man parts. the most unbelievable part of the movie was that an alien would settle for uncut bushy euro dick. given that they have the whole globe to choose from and all
That said, i felt obligated after the movie to fly to Scotland and parade about my well groomed man parts. the most unbelievable part of the movie was that an alien would settle for uncut bushy euro dick. given that they have the whole globe to choose from and all
Posted on 1/7/15 at 12:26 pm to Pilot Tiger
Obtuse strictly for the sake of being "that type" of movie. Wouldn't classify it as a mind frick movie so much as a cluster frick movie. Even Scar Jo nekkid seemed pushed.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 12:40 pm to Tiger inTampa
it appears you don't understand what obtuse means
Posted on 1/7/15 at 12:56 pm to Pilot Tiger
Oh I understand completely. But, if you would like to debate definition and opinion I'm game. But you sir start with a distinct advantage. I am no where near the Cinematic Sage you purport yourself to be so clearly I would be shamed in your first pithy response. So, I accept your assumption that my vocabulary is woefully lacking and will not engage in said debate resulting in you having more time to defend 'dat shitty movie.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 1:04 pm to SwaggerCopter
quote:
Scarlett might be the most overrated woman on the planet.
naw...that would be three way tie between Zooey Deschannel Anna Kendrick and Jennifer Lawrence
Posted on 1/7/15 at 1:16 pm to rondo
quote:dem knock knees doe
Anna Kendrick
Posted on 1/7/15 at 1:18 pm to Pilot Tiger
I have no clue what that means.
I just know that bitches face is all levels of fricked up.
I just know that bitches face is all levels of fricked up.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 4:30 pm to rondo
I thought it had a semi straight foward plot, this is what I got out of it.
SPOILERS
Scarelett Johansson and the motorcycle guy are obviously aliens. At the first of the movie Scarlett comes to earth and is replacing the other woman/alien whom it shows at the first of the movie looking dead.
This woman was here before Scarlett and had her same job, luring men back to the alien lair to have whatever done to them that they do, appeared to be some sort of harvesting.
The first woman eventually saw that there were good things about earth and it's people and refused to continue doing her job which is why Scarlett replaced her.
This same thing eventually happens to Scarlett, culminating with the deformed guy which is why she lets him escape and goes on the run. She knows what happened to the first girl will happen to her if the motorcycle guy finds her. Also she wants to experience more of earth, tries the food, listens to the music, has sex ect.
Ending is very sad.
I think it's a great movie, and the music in it is crazy/amazing. I give it a 9/10.
SPOILERS
Scarelett Johansson and the motorcycle guy are obviously aliens. At the first of the movie Scarlett comes to earth and is replacing the other woman/alien whom it shows at the first of the movie looking dead.
This woman was here before Scarlett and had her same job, luring men back to the alien lair to have whatever done to them that they do, appeared to be some sort of harvesting.
The first woman eventually saw that there were good things about earth and it's people and refused to continue doing her job which is why Scarlett replaced her.
This same thing eventually happens to Scarlett, culminating with the deformed guy which is why she lets him escape and goes on the run. She knows what happened to the first girl will happen to her if the motorcycle guy finds her. Also she wants to experience more of earth, tries the food, listens to the music, has sex ect.
Ending is very sad.
I think it's a great movie, and the music in it is crazy/amazing. I give it a 9/10.
This post was edited on 1/7/15 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 1/8/15 at 7:19 am to CrimsonFever
that's pretty much what I got
You can see at the very beginning when she's getting the old alien's clothes, she has a tear. She's learned what it's like to be human
You can see at the very beginning when she's getting the old alien's clothes, she has a tear. She's learned what it's like to be human
Posted on 1/10/15 at 11:33 am to Pilot Tiger
Watched it last night. Were those jeans on Scarlett Jo's arse super tight or what?
Posted on 1/10/15 at 12:32 pm to Pilot Tiger
To be honest, I was a little disappointed when I watched this movie, primarily because the opinions of people I generally respect led me to anticipate more that the move actually delivered. The mistake the movie-makers made was taking a good premise and excellent cinematography (even if the latter was almost painfully European in execution) and trying to sustain it as a set piece over the space of one and a half hours. I very much appreciate thoughtful, moody, intelligent movies -- you should see my movie collection -- but only if I don't feel like the people involved are taking advantage of my appreciation by offering me less than meets the eye.
It wasn't a bad move, mind you. Far from it. But it made one of the gravest errors a movie of its ilk can make -- blatant self-indulgence. The same movie could have been compressed into a half-hour without an loss of fidelity, to use a technical metaphor. "Under the Skin" definitely had promise, but it ultimately came across as having pretensions toward being an art-house film without the substance to back said pretensions up. It's always a risk you're going to take when elevating style over plot/dialogue, and if you choose to take that risk, you'd best be damned certain your style repays the audience's patience with you.
It wasn't a bad move, mind you. Far from it. But it made one of the gravest errors a movie of its ilk can make -- blatant self-indulgence. The same movie could have been compressed into a half-hour without an loss of fidelity, to use a technical metaphor. "Under the Skin" definitely had promise, but it ultimately came across as having pretensions toward being an art-house film without the substance to back said pretensions up. It's always a risk you're going to take when elevating style over plot/dialogue, and if you choose to take that risk, you'd best be damned certain your style repays the audience's patience with you.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 12:55 pm to randomways
so your biggest problem with the film is that given the subject, it was a feature length film and not a short film?
The movie asks what it means to be human, what it means to have emotions.
It's pretty straight forward. We see an alien learn what it means to be human. We see a hunter and a seducer of men become the hunted. Does having emotion make us weak?
The music plays a big role as well. A certain piece seems to always play when she's seducing a man, "hunting"
I'd hardly call the movie pretentious or lacking substance
quote:I'm curious to know exactly why you think it lacked substance.
having pretensions toward being an art-house film without the substance to back said pretensions up
The movie asks what it means to be human, what it means to have emotions.
It's pretty straight forward. We see an alien learn what it means to be human. We see a hunter and a seducer of men become the hunted. Does having emotion make us weak?
The music plays a big role as well. A certain piece seems to always play when she's seducing a man, "hunting"
I'd hardly call the movie pretentious or lacking substance
Posted on 1/10/15 at 5:16 pm to Pilot Tiger
quote:
so your biggest problem with the film is that given the subject, it was a feature length film and not a short film?
Well, no, that was only one of my observations.
quote:
I'm curious to know exactly why you think it lacked substance.
The movie asks what it means to be human, what it means to have emotions.
It's pretty straight forward. We see an alien learn what it means to be human. We see a hunter and a seducer of men become the hunted. Does having emotion make us weak?
That's almost precisely why I think it was attempting to stretch out a short movie into a long one. Note that I'm not saying I'd prefer a short movie. I'm saying that they needed more substance to justify the length. I certainly understood it just fine. Compared to some of my other favorite movies, it's pretty straight-forward.
Other than puzzling out what the general situation is -- a puzzle, I concede, was made easier by the fact I knew going in what the general situation was -- the movie relies on our willingness to indulge the cinematography, mood, music, etc at the expense of actually exploring the theme to any particular depth. It can essentially be summarized as "alien encounters humans, alien eats humans, alien starts regretting." Which is fine in itself except that the various mise-en-scenes don't really offer any new revelations or insights. In other words, there's not an enormous amount of intellectual differentiation or exploration after a while; ergo, the plot grows repetitive on a thematic level. This flaw emphasizes the role of the cinematography and music to the point where one starts to realize that these aspects are frequently compensating for rather than enhancing the movie's story and themes. The issue of lack of substance is primarily a complaint about the director's indulgence in repetition, not about the basic ideas and themes behind the movie itself.
My counterexample would be Tarkovsky's "Solyaris" (or the Clooney one, if you prefer, which I feel is unfairly maligned). For a considerable portion of the film, pretty much nothing happens. It's an atmospheric mood piece. But not a single aspect is redundant or unnecessary. With "Under the Skin" I had to force myself to ignore the atmospheric machinations of the director precisely because I found a large portion of it descending into tautology. Had it been a shameless slice-of-life piece, it would have been easier for me, ironically-enough.
Look, I liked the movie at the basic level. Hell, I own it on DVD/Blu-ray (I prefer to own hard media whenever I can. I'm not down with the purely digital revolution.) It was ambitious in its conceptualization, if not always in its execution, and, yes, it's easy to get lost in the mood even if I had to force myself to ignore the machinations. So don't get me wrong. On a 10 point scale, I'd score it a solid 7.5. But it could have been so much better.
This post was edited on 1/10/15 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 1/10/15 at 5:39 pm to randomways
Honestly I think it may be my favorite movie of 2014. It had some really powerful scenes in it.
Spoilers
The father trying to rescue his wife from the sea with the baby being left on shore.
Scareltt's character meeting the deformed guy and what happened afterwards
The attempted rape and her skin being damaged revealing she was an alien to the guy.
Him setting her on fire
I thought there were more than enough powerful moments in the movie to justify it's length and I didn't feel like anything was being drug out.
Spoilers
The father trying to rescue his wife from the sea with the baby being left on shore.
Scareltt's character meeting the deformed guy and what happened afterwards
The attempted rape and her skin being damaged revealing she was an alien to the guy.
Him setting her on fire
I thought there were more than enough powerful moments in the movie to justify it's length and I didn't feel like anything was being drug out.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 5:52 pm to CrimsonFever
That's all fair enough, and I certainly wouldn't try to discourage anyone from enjoying the movie as is. I was just articulating my own issues with it. I've spent enough time defending my enjoyment of such movies as "Synecdoche, New York", "2046", and "Enter the Void" that I have no room to talk when it comes to personal preferences not being to other peoples' taste.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 6:06 pm to randomways
quote:That's an awesome movie, so we agree there.
Synecdoche, New York
Posted on 1/10/15 at 6:53 pm to CrimsonFever
quote:
That's an awesome movie, so we agree there.
Ah, a fellow Kaufmaniac!
Actually, I'm not that obsessed with him, but I do like pretty much every movie of his. I've watched SNY a half dozen times and it never gets old. It's still pretty damned long, so I have to plan ahead if I'm in the mood to re-watch it, but it never gets old.
Since, unlike my sweetie and certain of my "friends", you didn't curse my name at the very mention of the movie, I'll re-watch "Under the Skin" within the next couple of days with your (and those of others here, but mostly yours) comments in mind and see if further evaluation alters my opinion.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 7:40 pm to randomways
I thought it was brilliant. The movie looked so much at the superficiality of humans.
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