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re: We Have a Moral Divide, Not a Racial One
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:04 pm to StrongSafety
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:04 pm to StrongSafety
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I can tell you why we sometimes see ourselves as black first: Due to age old and systematic bouts with local, state, and institutional racism, various aspects of our lives were first regulated to our "black" blood. Look at the classifications slave masters made for mixed people's "quad-roon", "mulatto" etc. Look at the 3/5th compromise, Dred Scott's case, the fight against abolition, the civil war, etc. All of those horrible events were seemingly passed on through our color to future generations that had to deal with tangible incidents of oppression. Yet we have boards like this that do not thing that the sins our country have a had any sort of pandemic effect on that group. Some members of that group thinks it's damn obvious and they get upset when they see things like this event happen. It's like reliving emit till for some folks (in not drawing that comparison myself). Old Age white supremacy and terrorism humiliated and embarassed the humanity of a group for centuries, leaving long lasting residual effects and to some it sometimes looks like the strives we have made have been disingenuous because of all the back pedals we take and all of the lingering racial fears and bias. This board never asks itself what it can do better to help mend this Divide. They pin it on the backs of the historically oppressed group. From an historical standpoint, they never ask themselves what they can do as a group to help mend it. It's short-sighted and ignorant of our history, and if we want to bridge the gap, the historical monarchs in this case are gonna have to make serious strides on inter-relational standpoint to help bridge this gap.
Very nice. It strains credulity for people to take the position that 350 years of slavery and other mistreatment is going to be miraculously rectified in 50 years or less with NO LASTING IMPACT whatsoever.
White people on this board can't even admit that they benefited from being white. In fact, many of them literally believe they were harmed because of it.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:05 pm to StrongSafety
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see ourselves as black first
see. I don't care why. I'm not a sociologist, it's not my responsibility and I don't give a shite. Sorry, just the truth.
I actually appreciate you acknowledging it though. FIRST, it's what everyone knows, but there are no solutions until everyone acknowledges what you just said, but no one wants to be called a racist because now that's worse than being a murderer, no one wants to say anything seemingly insensitive
the reason I don't care is because you can't ignore the elephant in the room and just wait for it to leave...no one will even acknowledge the most inconsequential and minute realities about race in America, so what's to be done?
quote:people need to take responsibility for themselves. I'm not interested in mending a divide. I don't have any animosity, I don't care that I'm white. I don't have guilt nor should I, so it's not my problem.
This board never asks itself what it can do better to help mend this Divide
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:06 pm to 2close2Gainesville
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I'm sure you have a link to back that up.
Here's one (PDF)
LINK
Page 79 - by the age of 17, a greater percentage of whites have dealt drugs than blacks.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:06 pm to Big Scrub TX
Does this excuse breaking the law or harming others?
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:07 pm to 2close2Gainesville
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Does this excuse breaking the law or harming others?
Does what excuse it?
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:08 pm to Big Scrub TX
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White people on this board can't even admit that they benefited from being white.
Actually, I feel like I benefit from being human.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:10 pm to Big Scrub TX
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take the position that 350 years of slavery and other mistreatment is going to be miraculously rectified in 50 years or less with NO LASTING IMPACT
jews aren't disproportionately impoverished (probably the opposite if anything)
Asians
Indian
Catholic
are we really explaining away such poverty and violence on the events of the past, because no other group in the United States does that
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:11 pm to Homesick Tiger
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Actually, I feel like I benefit from being human.
Well, that's just as good, since black people have been treated as both sub-human and super-human (be 2 times as good, etc.) for the history of this country.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:11 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Does what excuse it?
quote:
Very nice. It strains credulity for people to take the position that 350 years of slavery and other mistreatment is going to be miraculously rectified in 50 years or less with NO LASTING IMPACT whatsoever.
White people on this board can't even admit that they benefited from being white. In fact, many of them literally believe they were harmed because of it.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:11 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Page 79 - by the age of 17, a greater percentage of whites have dealt drugs than blacks.
Please cut and paste where you found that, because can't find it.
One page said that black were less likely to have reported they sold. Big difference.
Not saying it isn't there just can't find it.
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:14 pm to Big Scrub TX
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You are much more likely to be arrested/prosecuted if you are black for the exact same crime than if you are white.
and white people don't have to pay for stuff when black people arent around
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:15 pm to Elcid96
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Please cut and paste where you found that, because can't find it.
Table on page 70 of the report (page 79 of the PDF itself).
quote:
One page said that black were less likely to have reported they sold. Big difference.
All of these types of things are based on self-reporting.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:15 pm to Choctaw
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and white people don't have to pay for stuff when black people arent around
So you honestly believe there is ZERO racial bias in the system? Do you believe it ever existed? If so, which year did it stop?
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:17 pm to Big Scrub TX
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since black people have been treated as both sub-human and super-human (be 2 times as good, etc.) for the history of this country.
Yeah, you're right. Since you want me to share my benefits of life with the blacks, it also means I have to share my liabilities bestowed on me, to be fair.
Give me an address and I'll send you 50% of my bills and taxes.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:18 pm to Big Scrub TX
kill whitey, that's the only solution
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:18 pm to Big Scrub TX
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White people on this board can't even admit that they benefited from being white.
i can't think of one instance in my life where i benefitted from being white. Being incredibly handsome? yes...i have benefitted greatly
i do know that i didn't get a job because of affirmative action though
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:19 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Black youth at age 17
were significantly less likely than
white or Hispanic youth to report
having sold drugs.
Not the same as
quote:
by the age of 17, a greater percentage of whites have dealt drugs than blacks.
sorry
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:19 pm to Choctaw
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i can't think of one instance in my life where i benefitted from being white.
This is the advantage of being white, tbh
Ijs.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:20 pm to Homesick Tiger
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Yeah, you're right. Since you want me to share my benefits of life with the blacks, it also means I have to share my liabilities bestowed on me, to be fair. Give me an address and I'll send you 50% of my bills and taxes.
This country is a lost cause. Permanent, irreparable damage along racial lines. You aren't even slightly interested in examining history. It's depressing.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:21 pm to Elcid96
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quote:Black youth at age 17 were significantly less likely than white or Hispanic youth to report having sold drugs. Not the same as quote:by the age of 17, a greater percentage of whites have dealt drugs than blacks. sorry
What do you base your assertions on then? You just "feel" like blacks deal more than whites?
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