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re: Did Obama just troll the GOP?

Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:13 am to
Posted by Holden Caulfield
Hanging with J.D.
Member since May 2008
8308 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:13 am to
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The senate sent a bill over to the house and they wouldn't even bring it to a vote because they were afraid of the political damage it would do.

I'm certain the GOP didn't want to vote on an immigration bill prior to the mid terms but after the way obama strong armed the ACA it's also understandable why many in the GOP were less than trusting of this president.
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:13 am to
I think OP is underestimating how fed up white Americans are with the pandering to minorities.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
80375 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:22 am to
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This board is basically just a bunch of Cartmans and Butters running around getting alternately mad and scared. And I love it so, so much.


Yeah man, we get it.

You're all cool and edgy and you just want to watch it all burn.
Posted by FT
REDACTED
Member since Oct 2003
26925 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:25 am to
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Yeah man, we get it.

You're all cool and edgy and you just want to watch it all burn.
Dude, you realize that when his administration started there were people on this board wondering if we'd ever have another presidential election, and those same people are now acting smug.

It's a hysterical place to be.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14543 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:32 am to
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Did Obama just troll the GOP?


Yes, yes he did.

Now the challenge will be to fire back in a strategic way.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64685 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:32 am to
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are you aware that deportations are at an all-time high under the Obama administration?


Are there more coming in or has deportations lagged the last 6 years?




Saying "let's secure the border" sounds good but it doesn't solve much of anything. [/quote]

Disagree. I don't see how you can address the millions here while having what amounts to a open border.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
49017 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:52 am to
If I could buy you for what you are worth....and sell you for what you think you are worth....I would be a much wealthier man.
Posted by FT
REDACTED
Member since Oct 2003
26925 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:56 am to
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If I could buy you for what you are worth....and sell you for what you think you are worth....I would be a much wealthier man.
So...

...you're saying you need about tree fiddy?
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
49017 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:02 am to
South Park references are a solid basis for hubris.
Posted by FT
REDACTED
Member since Oct 2003
26925 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:04 am to
It was self deprecation. Stop being such a sandy vagina.
Posted by Layabout
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2011
11082 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:06 am to
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Wouldn't it be great if we had leaders that wanted the best for Americans and not just to beat the other party?


You mean leaders like Mitch McConnell?
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:07 am to
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I'm not crazy about EAs but republicans could pass a bill and come out on top....but they won't.


This was my theory all along. Its about 2016
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 10:07 am
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:10 am to
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A comprehensive plan that secures the border first, implements a robust temporary worker program, with e-Verify and stiff penalties on employers, severe restriction on entitlements, EITC, education access, and pretty much a ban on the guest workers having family here, combined with an end to birthright citizenship for children born to illegals (or guest workers) is a winnable platform at either the primary or general election, IMHO.

tea party wing will sink a bill with any robust guest worker program

mainstream republican will sink a bill with any teeth to enforcement.

Immigration reform is going nowhere with a GOP led congress.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64685 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:18 am to
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"tea party wing will sink a bill with any robust guest worker program"

I don't think so. I don't know any one against guest workers. Its amnesty without border control that most TP and conservatives are strongly against.

"mainstream republican will sink a bill with any teeth to enforcement."

Only if they wish to lose more conservative votes.



"Immigration reform is going nowhere with a GOP led congress."


BHO has rolled the bones going into 2016 and it will be interesting to see the response from the republication party.
Posted by Holden Caulfield
Hanging with J.D.
Member since May 2008
8308 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:19 am to
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tea party wing will sink a bill with any robust guest worker program

Approximately 10% of the House are members of the Tea Party caucus. Many have openly stated they will support reform including a guest worker program if we secure the border first.

The two sides aren't that far apart. From the GOP perspective its a matter of trusting the chief executive not to pick and choose what parts of the bill to enforce and which to ignore.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:21 am to
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I don't think so. I don't know any one against guest workers. Its amnesty without border control that most TP and conservatives are strongly against.


Well the Texas TP ditched it over the summer
LINK

Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89790 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:24 am to
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tea party wing will sink a bill with any robust guest worker program mainstream republican will sink a bill with any teeth to enforcement. Immigration reform is going nowhere with a GOP led congress.


This implies the GOP is unchanging and unyielding. The changes from 2012 to 2014, while I do not think they ever got a comprehensive national strategy for 2014 - they didn't need to - "Not Obama. ACA bad." Seems to have been enough.

However, I hear similar plans from both Rand Paul and Marco Rubio. Lets see what passes and there is little question that Obama vetoes anything they send, other than a bill closely parallelling what he's just signed, IMHO.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
80375 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:25 am to
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From the GOP perspective its a matter of trusting the chief executive not to pick and choose what parts of the bill to enforce and which to ignore.


And he hasn't exactly shown any signs of acting in good faith yet.
Posted by Holden Caulfield
Hanging with J.D.
Member since May 2008
8308 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:27 am to
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And he hasn't exactly shown any signs of acting in good faith yet.

Exactly. I believe any hard line the republicans take has its genesis in obama's proven and demonstrated duplicity.

How can anyone in the opposing party trust this man?
Posted by constant cough
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2007
44788 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:28 am to
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Did Obama just troll the GOP?



No. He just fricked America.
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