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Jarvis, OBJ, JHill, Mett, AND James Wright >>> (who??)
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:15 am
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:15 am
Last years offense was really explosive. But take a closer look at the talent. Was the on field product as productive and prolific as it could have been? We all know how good the big 4 were last year. James Wright doesn't catch one freakin' ball last year...........not one. Yet the Bengals think he is talented enough to draft him in the 7th round. He caught a ball last week against the saints (hmmmm). How can a receiver who didn't catch a ball his senior year get drafted? Well, he didn't get on the field much because JC Copeland and (insert random TE) were always on the field. How explosive could this team have been with 3 and 4 wide receiver sets (Bonne as 4th WR) while running hill out of a one-back set or from the gun? This is a prime example of not maximizing talent due to sticking to a scheme that dos not maximize efficiency based on personnel. What good is it to have 4 really good receivers if you only use 2 at any given time?
Fast forward to this year, underachieving again albeit with inexperience at WR and QB. This years offense should be much more productive than where it is. There is no effin' way this team should not average 200 yards passing per game (even with AJ). Of course, this would loosen up the running game and put the safeties where they belong.
I dont think last year at this time it was clear to the observer just how good our skill players were last year. We all thought they were All SEC NFL players. But they are DOMINATING in the league right now. If last years offense talent wasn't enough to get this team to Atlanta last year, (with a struggling but 4th ranked defense in SEC last year) than I am discouraged looking forward until there is concerted change in philosophy.
Yeah, I know. This thread isn't original. But the fact that I started should tell you I dont care
Fast forward to this year, underachieving again albeit with inexperience at WR and QB. This years offense should be much more productive than where it is. There is no effin' way this team should not average 200 yards passing per game (even with AJ). Of course, this would loosen up the running game and put the safeties where they belong.
I dont think last year at this time it was clear to the observer just how good our skill players were last year. We all thought they were All SEC NFL players. But they are DOMINATING in the league right now. If last years offense talent wasn't enough to get this team to Atlanta last year, (with a struggling but 4th ranked defense in SEC last year) than I am discouraged looking forward until there is concerted change in philosophy.
Yeah, I know. This thread isn't original. But the fact that I started should tell you I dont care
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 8:18 am
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:19 am to pellietigersaint
Preach!!
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:27 am to pellietigersaint
You are spot on.
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 8:35 am
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:28 am to pellietigersaint
But the two we did use each had over 2k yards. Are you suggesting that we should have spread the love instead?
It's not like we needed to pass more, either. The talent at rb was too good to go pass first.
It's not like we needed to pass more, either. The talent at rb was too good to go pass first.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:40 am to pellietigersaint
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James Wright doesn't catch one freakin' ball last year...........not one. Yet the Bengals think he is talented enough to draft him in the 7th round. He caught a ball last week against the saints (hmmmm). How can a receiver who didn't catch a ball his senior year get drafted?
Well they drafted him for his special teams ability, which he showed at LSU. He was literally drafted for the role he played at LSU. He's a Courtney Roby type player.
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Well, he didn't get on the field much because JC Copeland and (insert random TE) were always on the field. How explosive could this team have been with 3 and 4 wide receiver sets (Bonne as 4th WR) while running hill out of a one-back set or from the gun?
We ran a lot of 3-4 WR sets last season. We ran a lot of plays out of the Shotgun...
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What good is it to have 4 really good receivers if you only use 2 at any given time?
We averaged 10.4 yards per pass attempt...3rd best in CFB. Someone should tell the Saints to cut one of their 2 fullbacks
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I dont think last year at this time it was clear to the observer just how good our skill players were last year.
I think it was pretty clear how good Landry and Beckham were after the TCU game. quote:
I'm just sayin' it could have been prolific......
It was prolific...
We controlled the clock while also maintaining the big play ability. We led the nation in 3rd down % - 2nd best 3rd down % in over 10 years behind Andrew Luck at Stanford
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 8:46 am
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:57 am to pellietigersaint
The problem that I finally realize, is that although we were super explosive last year, we could have been even better. We have to do away with the 80% under center crap. We have to incorporate a base of 3 WRs. We have to put some kind of deception into our run game. This is the same guy who ran wildcat most of the year in his one year as an NFL HC. We are one of the only teams that pretty much smash right into the line (left or right of center) over and over and over again with 8 and 9 men in the box. This is a problem that falls squarely on both Miles and Cam. They tell our players to basically go above and beyond for just basic offensive production. People can say what they want, but a dual threat and pocket passer can operate from the same system.
Arizona St 2014
Taylor Kelly - 8 games started, 222 atts 1730 pass yards 18 TDs, 234 rush yards 3 TDs
Mike Bercovici - 3 games started, 144 atts 1223 pass yards 9 TDs, 18 rush yards
Notre Dame
Tommy Rees 2013 - 414 atts 3257 pass yards 27 TDs, -56 rush yards
Everett Golson 2014 - 398 atts 3280 pass yards 29 TDs, 298 rush yards 8 TDs
There are others that I used at the beginning of the season, but I'm not going through all of that.
Another thing is why has Cam become so conservative? I know he wants to protect his QB, but you are doing much more harm than good when you don't let them loose. What happened to his heavy utilization of the TE in his offense? What about how he made the RB pretty much another WR? We were doing pretty well with that against UF, UK, and Ole Miss. I remember earlier on when Fournette had 5 catches in four games. He's had 2 in the past 6 and they were against one team.
Arizona St 2014
Taylor Kelly - 8 games started, 222 atts 1730 pass yards 18 TDs, 234 rush yards 3 TDs
Mike Bercovici - 3 games started, 144 atts 1223 pass yards 9 TDs, 18 rush yards
Notre Dame
Tommy Rees 2013 - 414 atts 3257 pass yards 27 TDs, -56 rush yards
Everett Golson 2014 - 398 atts 3280 pass yards 29 TDs, 298 rush yards 8 TDs
There are others that I used at the beginning of the season, but I'm not going through all of that.
Another thing is why has Cam become so conservative? I know he wants to protect his QB, but you are doing much more harm than good when you don't let them loose. What happened to his heavy utilization of the TE in his offense? What about how he made the RB pretty much another WR? We were doing pretty well with that against UF, UK, and Ole Miss. I remember earlier on when Fournette had 5 catches in four games. He's had 2 in the past 6 and they were against one team.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:12 am to pellietigersaint
Don't forget Alfred Blue who rushed for 156 two weeks ago for the Texans and Trai Turner started 8 games at guard for Panthers.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:16 am to pellietigersaint
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Last years offense was really explosive. But take a closer look at the talent. Was the on field product as productive and prolific as it could have been?
Yet we still lost 3 games.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:18 am to pellietigersaint
i'm not given to negatiger-ing, but james wright and kadron boone were really quite good receivers who should've had the opportunity to participate in the offense. their non-participation is the sum total of my gripe with last year's offense.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:19 am to pellietigersaint
Best LSU offense ever and still went 10-3, with no SEC or national championship. Great coaching job by Miles! 
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:23 am to pellietigersaint
3 losses
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:53 am to pellietigersaint
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Last years offense was really explosive. But take a closer look at the talent. Was the on field product as productive and prolific as it could have been? We all know how good the big 4 were last year. James Wright doesn't catch one freakin' ball last year...........not one. Yet the Bengals think he is talented enough to draft him in the 7th round. He caught a ball last week against the saints (hmmmm). How can a receiver who didn't catch a ball his senior year get drafted? Well, he didn't get on the field much because JC Copeland and (insert random TE) were always on the field. How explosive could this team have been with 3 and 4 wide receiver sets (Bonne as 4th WR) while running hill out of a one-back set or from the gun? This is a prime example of not maximizing talent due to sticking to a scheme that dos not maximize efficiency based on personnel. What good is it to have 4 really good receivers if you only use 2 at any given time?
Boom.
How in the world do you have a guy (James Wright) who can play in the NFL but doesn't catch a SINGLE pass all season long as a SENIOR WR? It is beyond explanation. You adjust to the talent you have and go 4 wide with Hill as a single back.
When have we had a back better than Hill at finding the crease and exploiting it for a HUGE gain?
When have we had a QB better than Mett last year at making EVERY throw and putting the ball where it needed to be?
The offense was good last year. The fact that it wasn't unstoppable is unexplainable. You had a 5th year SR QB who took one class and spent the rest of the week watching film. He is lighting it up as a ROOKIE QB in the NFL. He was great last year, but how good could he have been with all of those weapons?
It is the scheme. The scheme. The scheme. The scheme.
JC Copeland should not have been carrying the ball nearly as much as he did.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 12:21 pm to pellietigersaint
2 receptions.
this thread is based off of two receptions.
James Wright was at best the 4th best receiver on our team, and was most likely the 5th best wr on the team.
Dural, and Boone were better than him.
The fact that the TE and FB helped Hill rush to 1400 yards, and the team rush to another 1200 on top of that doesn't matter?
this thread is based off of two receptions.
James Wright was at best the 4th best receiver on our team, and was most likely the 5th best wr on the team.
Dural, and Boone were better than him.
The fact that the TE and FB helped Hill rush to 1400 yards, and the team rush to another 1200 on top of that doesn't matter?
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:03 pm to pellietigersaint
Didn't read dumb post
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