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re: West Standings (Updated: 2/2) - Who Stays? Who Goes?
Posted on 11/20/14 at 4:40 pm to TheSexecutioner
Posted on 11/20/14 at 4:40 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Also, people overvalue how valuable a stretch 4 who is a liability on defense. I love Ryno and he is very good at what he does. But it just isn't that valuable of a thing to have. Somebody like Z-Bo or even Asik just translates to so many more wins.
I disagree with this, everyone saw what a stretch 4&5 did to the Pacers against the hawks when they rolled out the millsaps and antic line ups.
And let's look at the last few championship teams.
Spurs- Boris Diaw
Heat- Chris Bosh (not a defensive liability but still)
Mavs- dirk
All three have big men who can stretch the floor, stretch 4's are appropriately valued IMO. The ability to pull bigs like hibbert and Howard and Davis and the like away from the paint is extremely valuable to a teams ability to penetrate and finish well at the rim
They do however have to be paired with a defensive force to not kill a teams defense typically (Tim duncan/splitter, Tyson chandler, asik) so I see your point there
Posted on 11/20/14 at 4:57 pm to unibrownation
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Spurs- Boris Diaw
Heat- Chris Bosh (not a defensive liability but still)
Mavs- dirk
Boris Diaw is not a stretch 4 and was like the 5th most important player on that team. In his 3 seasons with the Spurs, he's taken 1 3pt shot per game. He's also playing on the one team in basketball that undeniably achieves more than the sum of their parts. Spurs winning was not evidence of the stretch 4 being valuable.
Chris Bosh was not a defensive liability. There is no "but still".... At no point did I say that being able to stretch the floor hurt a team. But given the choice between combining Bosh's defense with LBJ and Wade vs his 3pt shooting, almost everyone would take his defense.
Dirk is a once in a generation player and a legit 7ft tall. Ryno is 2 inches shorter with short arms. If Dirk was only 6'10 with short arms, his legacy as an all around player would be very different. In incredible part of his value is that he can't just be rebounded and shot over by more athletic 4s.
And in what defense would Hibbert or Howard ever be guarding a stretch 4 instead of a center? If its an offense where Ryno is playing as the Center than we are in big trouble on the defensive end. And I'm not saying stretch 4s are overvalued by the whole world necessarily. Im saying this board has a tendency to overvalue them because we have a good one who is incredibly likable.
I guess a better way to put it would be that this board undervalues forwards that are tough, big, athletic and rebound and defend well. Like Kendrick Perkins. And I'm not saying Kendrick Perkins would be as valuable to this team as Ryno. But they are closer in value than Ryno is to Z-Bo.
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