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re: 8-16 Just Won't Cut It Against Bama
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:36 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:36 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
So 8-16 beat ole miss that beat Alabama but 8-16 won't be Alabama
#fail
#fail
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:39 pm to monsterballads
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wtf is the ref looking at???? how did he not call that????
if you think that was a bad non call, just wait until the Bama game. When you play Bama you have to beat Bama football team and the bama fan refs.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:39 pm to Salviati
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I think 50% completions and two interceptions will make it more difficult to beat Bama. However, I am optimistic that Jennings will perform much better. He's improving. Mett's biggest improvement in 2012 came during the two weeks of practice before the Bama game. Jefferson's biggest improvement in 2010 came during the two weeks before the Bama game.
In short, I'm not going to sit here and tell you that we'll beat Bama going 8-16 with two picks because I don't think Jennings will go 8-16 with two picks; in particular, he won't throw two picks.
Exactly what I have been stating.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:43 pm to monsterballads
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i'll go out on a limb and say 10 points won't be enough to beat alabama
would anyone disagree?
agree, hopefully in that game an inadvertent whistle and a careless fumble on the 2 won't cost us 14 points...
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:47 pm to boxcar willie
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the talent difference between those teams and Alabama is a lot.
you mean the ole miss team that beat Bama? The one constant is the idiot level with those who have stated the same thing for 3 weeks in a row now...
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:47 pm to LSU4lyfe
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So 8-16 beat ole miss that beat Alabama but 8-16 won't be Alabama
I don't think anyone believes 8 complete passes beats Alabama. An effective running game and strong defense will beat Alabama.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:57 pm to Datbayoubengal
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This team right now with average QB play (60% 200 yards 1.5 TDs)
We can round up and add in Harris' stats if you like to make the team stats look better...even then you are overstating it.
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will win us a championship
See there is where we disagree. Every national champion has needed its QB to pull them through at least once. I don't see a medicore armed QB, with poor field vision doing that for us. And now we have 10 games + of data to reflect on it.
quote:. Or rather, to be fair, there is the debate. It comes down to which QB you believe will be better suited to win us games in 2015? For a variety of reasons I won't belabor here, I go with Harris.
There is no fact behind it at all
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MSU, Ole Miss, and Auburn will be looking for offensive pieces as well as Bama. LSU will retain all their WRs, a QB with a year of experience, and possibly the best RB in 2015. The defense will again be stout.
I agree with all of this. But I'd submit that we are better suited in 2015 with a Harris with a year (or realistically now a few games) of experience than we are with a Jennings with a few games of experience. Again, that is the debate.
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I believe Jennings can become a pretty good QB. He won't blow you away with his talent, but I think if he can get better.
I'll admit the above. But I think Harris has the arm strength, athleticism, etc. to become a great QB.
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He won't blow you away with his talent
Harris can blow you away with what he can do...
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but I think if he can get better
So can Harris, with reps. And Harris has a bigger ceiling.
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I'm pretty sure Harris will win out in the spring, and lead us to crazy LSU record setting offensive output.
So you agree with me. Now tell me why I shouldn't be concerned that the fallacy in your argument is that Les won't go with Jennings because of "experience."
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Thing is, Both QBs, under the tutelage of Cam, will be able to lead us to a championship, because of the type of offense we run, and the fact that we pride ourselves on strong defense.
Able? Perhaps. I like my odds with the better protoype.
Again, as I have said before, for better or worse, we will start AJ from here on out until we lose a game. I'm resigned to that, even if I would do otherwise if I were Les.
I'm a homer; I think we win them all. But just as I think replacing Welter with Beckwith made us better and replacing Martin with Adams made us better, I believe that next year replacing Jennings with Harris will make us better.
My hope is that we win out, we win big enough to get Brandon more reps so he too is "experienced" and that we have a real QB competition in the Spring, with the best QB getting the job.
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:03 pm to Mike Linebacker
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So can Harris, with reps.
"reps" aren't readily available in the middle of an SEC season, you're just focusing on winning the next game.
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:07 pm to Mike Linebacker
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My hope is that we win out, we win big enough to get Brandon more reps so he too is "experienced" and that we have a real QB competition in the Spring, with the best QB getting the job.
I think Harris only plays this year if AJ is injured. I do think he'll take the job next year though
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:08 pm to ForeLSU
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"reps" aren't readily available in the middle of an SEC season, you're just focusing on winning the next game
I know. That is the problem. We have a QB by default, who wil remain the QB by default, because he is the QB by default since he has experience. Or at least that is my fear.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:08 pm to MastrShake
Yeah i think we are agreeing. I am saying that 8/16 is okay because we have a great rushing attack. And our defense is extremely good so by playing typical lsu football we can beat bama. You control the clock and wear down the defense. This is a winning formula used by miles for years. It works.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:09 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:14 pm to Mike Linebacker
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We have a QB by default,
no, we have the QB who can, at this point, execute the offense the best
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who wil remain the QB by default, because he is the QB by default since he has experience
I know somehow folks will point to the JJ over Lee debate to attempt to validate this point, but in no time in Miles tenure at LSU has there been a "QB by default"
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:17 pm to tigersquad89
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I am saying that 8/16 is okay because we have a great rushing attack
But why? Why are you okay with this when you have Travin Dural, an elite, protoypical 6-2, 195 WR, along with Malachi Dupre, a 6-3 mismatch, #1 wide reciver out of high school along with the most prolific prep WR of all time nationwide in Trey Quinn and what (at least for the Wisconsin game) appeared to be the second-coming of Josh Reed in John Diarse. Why would you not want to unleash these guys witha QB who can get them the ball in space.
You do realize that we have all of the pieces in place for an elite passing offense (except QB), right? You do realize that if a QB can come in and throw 25-30 passes a game for, oh let's go with the current average, 225-270 per game, that beastly running back committee we have will get to do its damage against front sevens instead of front 9s, right?
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I think Harris only plays this year if AJ is injured. I do think he'll take the job next year though
You are a ray of optimism Roger. But why do you think this to be so?
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:23 pm to Mike Linebacker
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You are a ray of optimism Roger. But why do you think this to be so?
not Roger but...
- Miles/Cameron are only putting the current offense on the field because that's what they have to work with now, it's not where they want to be
- Harris has shown more arm and pocket awareness, just needs to be able to execute in the run game
- and as I stated, at no time has Miles shown a propensity of sticking with a lesser option
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:25 pm to Mike Linebacker
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You are a ray of optimism Roger. But why do you think this to be so?
No matter how many times people say it. AJ hasn't progressed. He threw two INT"s last week and if a certain Ole Miss LB could catch, would have been three with a pick six. Threw it right at the LB. That would have been the ballgame.
He's at his ceiling IMO. Below average arm and makes occasional poor decisions. He can't do anything as well as Harris and the only thing he's got going for him is experience. For his career, he's below 50%. Harris has all the tools that AJ doesn't and I don't think Miles will be able to keep him off the field next year. AJ will make a nice backup in case Harris gets hurt and LSU will be fortunate to have a backup with that kind of experience.
The talent disparity between the two is just too big.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:27 pm to ForeLSU
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no, we have the QB who can, at this point, execute the offense the best
The best offense execution we have seen this year has been led by Brandon Harris (New Mexico State and Miss State). Even the announcers on TV noted that the Tiger offense was "different" with him at the helm.
Harris struggled against Auburn at Jordan Hare in his first SEC start. That's fair. But AJ wasn't winning that game. He did nothing against Auburn. That gamne was unwinnable given the development of our team at the time.
Given how poorly our QB play has been, I'm unwilling to agree with you that AJ is better at executing the offense right now. And I certainly don't believe, nor does any objective observer, that AJ will be better in teh future than Harris.
All I am willing to concede is that, because he has gotten all of the reps in practice and in the games, that AJ is the right call to start the Bama game. If we get down by 10 plus points, there is very little doubt that Harris gives us the better chances to rack up points quickly.
And I firmly believe, based on raw talent, moxy and the limitations of the other, that we can win a national title with Brandon Harris in 2015. With Jennings, I will root, root, root for it. But I predict that I will end up like a Cubs fan. Disappointed again.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:29 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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But if you sit here and tell me that we'll beat Bama going 8-16 with two picks you're sorely b mistaken.
You're right. 8-16 with 2 picks won't do.
9-17 with two picks will though.
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Given Jennings rate of improvement recently, I don't think that will be a problem.
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 10:30 pm
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