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re: How were German armored divisions so much more elite than their US counterparts

Posted on 10/25/14 at 3:16 pm to
Posted by HeadChange
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Posted on 10/25/14 at 3:16 pm to
Good stuff guys, good thread to read.

Question for you WWII buffs. I'm not too familiar with Germany's navy other than the U-Boat, but how different would the war have been for the US/Allies if Germany had a naval fleet along the lines of the Japanese (or the US)?

The Pacific was a cold-hearted bitch, so if we had to fight that front, while also dealing with an equally formidable navy on the other front, how big of a difference would that have made? It seems that Germany was pretty much all in on the U-Boat (and having good success until they had to battle a real fleet) but lacking in other departments of naval warfare (specifically battleships/aircraft carriers....at least I think..)....It would seem to me that the US at least would be stretched pretty thin in that scenario, and might not have had the impact we did. The Allies would still have won IMO, but it might have taken quite a bit longer. Did we even have carriers in the Atlantic or were they all focused on the war in the Pacific? I mean, maybe we didn't have any over there because we didn't need any over there, so we were able to focus the majority of our naval fleet on the Pacific...but if we had to split them up because we were fighting fierce wars with other carrier divisions in both oceans, things might be different?

Seriously, WWII has to be, for me, the most fascinating war ever.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/25/14 at 3:30 pm to
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specifically battleships/aircraft carriers....at least I think..


I assume you're familiar with the Bismarck? Sank the Royal Navy flagship HMS Hood in an early battle?

If not - LINK

Ultimately, it became a question of economics. They never completed the only CV they launched. Their surface fleet was never going to be able to handle the Royal Navy or the Atlantic fleet, toe-to-toe. They relied on the Italians and the Vichy Fleet in the Med. They focused on a few surface raiders and U-Boats because they could get a decent ROI - but it was at a terrible cost in manpower and boats.

U-Boat crew was probably the single riskiest job in the entire European war - more so than an 8th Air Force bomber crewman or in a front line armor unit of either army on the Eastern Front. I guess only Japanese naval aviation was more dangerous.

This post was edited on 10/25/14 at 3:31 pm
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 10/25/14 at 4:17 pm to
Imperial Germany had a formidable fleet that actually bested the Royal Navy at Jutland in 1916.

Once The Great War was lost, the peace terms forced Germany to give up her fleet, so, it was scuttled.

Nazi Germany never had the economic capability of building a new fleet in a short time that would be able to challenge the Royal Navy and the US Navy. But, sure, if Nazi Germany had had a navy as large and powerful as Japan's or Britain's or the USA's, then, yes, that would have been tough on the Allies.
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