re: Govt tells Christian ministers: Perform same-sex weddings or face jail, fines

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because its discriminatory to hold who these people are against them and if you are a private firm conducting public business, thats illegal.

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So to offer a marriage service, your business has to offer a same sex marriage service and traditional marriage service too or you're breaking the law?

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Of course that is your point and the very reason you cannot rationally engage in any discussion of the freedom of religion. You are too dishonest and bigoted on the subject.

Those that oppose freedom of association like yourself are drawn to irrational and personal invective against the owners of these establishments because you would argue the exact opposite given any number of alternate scenarios.

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do you not agree its stupid to offer goats for sacrifice

do you not agree its repugnant to kill you neighbor for working on the Sabbath

do you not agree its preposterous to not be able to wear two fabrics.

yet you agree its okay to discriminate against homosexuals because the same Old Testament says so.

ofcourse we would never practice the first three because they are stupid, old laws that no American Christian takes seriously and why...because innately we know they are wrong and immoral and we have moved past them.

yet here you are arguing that its okay to abhor homosexuals because the same authors said so and these cherry pickers believe it to be okay.

thats stupid

The problem with these people (and most religious people) is that they're honest.

If they had talked to, for example, Adam and Steve, and said - "Wow - we're really backed up. I don't think we can schedule a wedding until late Summer 2016."

Then, when Ralph and Alice call in, they ALWAYS say - "You're in luck - we just had a cancellation this morning, we can fit you in." Boom. No problems.

In this case, they're saying it up front, "We don't want to marry same sex couples." So, they have to be forced into compliance, with the force of government, or they have to be destroyed.

There is no "live and let live" with modern liberals/progressives.

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I know the RFRA doesn't apply to local and state governments. 

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But of course many states followed Bill Clinton's lead and made their own versions leading to a cognitive dissonance meltdown last year involving Low Info types.

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I dont oppose freedom of association like I said if they want to discriminate against gays openly, form a church, not a business

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This is my issue with the bakers and such. The market can absorb any number of gay weddings - the percentage is just never going to rival that of straight weddings - as long as the business isn't doing work for governmental entities, I think freedom of association should allow someone to refuse service to anyone.

Maybe there was a time that couldn't be allowed, but I'm not seeing it now. Money is green - someone will take it.

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I have no personal stake in this story outside of the rights of the owners to conduct their business how they deem appropriate. I would equally accept the right of a gay couple to deny wedding services to Christians.

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see I wouldnt, its unacceptable to discriminate.

btw how could you tell a Christian from an atheist unless you inquired?

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see I wouldnt, its unacceptable to discriminate.

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So, you hate both religion and freedom of association? Quite liberal of you.

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btw how could you tell a Christian from an atheist unless you inquired?

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I'm sure they inquire, which is their right.

I can't pay to have my wedding in a Catholic church, even though that option is available to even the most marginal Catholics in South Louisiana. It does not bother me in the slightest.

I'm equally not offended by a Jewish baker refusing to bake a wedding cake with a swastika on it.

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City officials told Donald Knapp that he and his wife Evelyn, both ordained ministers who run Hitching Post Wedding Chapel, are required to perform such ceremonies or face months in jail and/or thousands of dollars in fines.

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Hitching Post Wedding Chapel is a for-profit business, not a Church.

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glad to know you are bigoted and self delusional

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Please, name one bigoted statement I have made in this thread. You, on the other hand, have made plenty of bigoted statements targeted at Christians.

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No its not, in the least.

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Ah, so you are also opposed to freedom of speech? Is there any part of the first amendment you would like to keep intact?

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Exactly what I was arguing they can discriminate because they are a church not a public business.

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True, but they offer a for-profit service in when they charge members for wedding ceremonies.

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more power to the Jewish Baker since the Nazi swastika is a univerally reviled symbol of discrimination and persecution

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And now your hypocrisy is on display. You fully support discrimination as long you hate the people being discriminated against.